Woman's Hour want to know who you'd like to have on ...

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https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1685591062331682816

'Do you ever discuss a topic and think: ‘I’d love to hear that on Woman’s Hour’? Well, here’s your chance! Listener Week is coming up & we'd like to hear from YOU! Whether it's personal stories or guest suggestions, let us know what you want to hear'

The comments are interesting, but clearly all the many women commenting are not the right kind of women for Womans Hour.

You are free to disagree, and suggest someone else, but merailing the thread to scold others is pretty tiresome.

And it is getting really tiresome that some (a few self elected representatives) think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Why are you putting so much effort in to telling me I have wrong think?

It's an opinion.

You need to accept that not everyone thinks like you.

For sure. It's interesting to see one woman, who I'm pretty sure would be amenable to being on Woman's Hour, and provides excellent interviews, being suggested over and over again.

As pp have said, I suspect they are worried about her letting the A word out.

Because you're frequently so bloody contrarian. It gets tiresome, also.

And it is getting really tiresome that some (a few self elected representatives) think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Do get over yourself, you're not a primary school teacher and the women of FWR are not your pupils, as multiple people have told you on many different occasions. We all have views and we will express them.

I knew her as a child... she's lovely.

Very career driven politician from early on and I honestly suspect she gets given lines she parrots. Or comes up with and won't budge. Towing the party line (of the time?) unfortunately.

think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you

That's mumsnet.

It's a right of passage to have your arse handed to you on a plate, even if you don't think it should be

Netmums is the #bekind forum

I didn't suggest Helen Joyce because she's all I know about from Twitter. I've been in this for years. I suggested her because she's highly intelligent, media friendly, likeable and compassionate while taking absolutely no prisoners, and she wrote a literal bestseller on the topic. As pp said, it's a massive oversight that she hasn't already been on.

With respect, you do regularly post criticising posts / threads that have been made without your prior permission.
You started your perfectly reasonable suggestions about using "ordinary" women's voices with this little sneer:
"I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important".

Maybe you're unaware of how you come over - you could simply have added your suggestions without criticising others?

I also know (having been involved in all this for more years than I care to remember) just how hard numerous women have had to work to secure a media presence and be able to argue in an articulate and clear way when interviewed.

Because you're frequently so bloody contrarian. It gets tiresome, also.

Just how pompous can you get.

Thanks for confirming that there is a mind set that there are certain views that are acceptable and not others.

Has it ever occured to you that many have given up on FWR because a few are policing threads.

If you think I am a contrarian it means you think there is a "true" way and you know what it is.

At this rate FWR will die a slow death because it will only be used by the small number who spend their time just re-affirming that their view of the world is the correct one.

Alexa - show me an example of DARVO

Sharron Davis

Sharron was bloody awesome

Pressed too soon, I would like to know why she wasn’t included in the 100 Women of Sport. I am sure enough people nominated her. Despite that I think she has plenty to say about men in womens sport, really important to keep up the momentum what with Paris looming . It will be too late next summer when we are watching the swimming and the athletics and thinking WTF?

The thread is doing some marvellous sportscasting...

FWR will only die when it is no longer needed - and that won't be for a long time (although it would be great if it wasn't needed at all).

Stephanie Davies Arai of Transgender Trend is another quiet articulate woman who really understands the head fuckery of all this in relation to children and safeguarding & can handle media interviews.

It very much depends on the context. "Ordinary" women - despairing parents, women sacked for their views can be exceptionally powerful speaking from the heart. But as we learnt in the early years of all this, you really have to have worked through the political issues & how to confront them, swiftly and concisely when interviewed - otherwise the word salad, "be kind" brigade drown out women's voices. I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored..

Iirc she couldn't be included as it was leaders of active clubs or something?

Maybe you're unaware of how you come over - you could simply have added your suggestions without criticising others?

It isn't a criticism to say you dont understand others. If you want everyone to think like you, you need to explain why you think you are right.

At the moment you are just coming over as the old girls network, totally affronted that someone who isn't in the in group hasn't latched onto you group think.

I also know (having been involved in all this for more years than I care to remember) just how hard numerous women have had to work to secure a media presence and be able to argue in an articulate and clear way when interviewed.

And I also know having been involved for more years than I care to remember, that at all times (or in the past used to) there was an awareness that media choices are gate keeping.

And what might seem like a small victory to get "a" voice in the media, can in fact be a trap.

If you dont mind of course, that I have a different opinion to you, based on lived experience.

To repeat having a different experience isn't a criticism.

Why is it that you are so affronted by someone having a different opinion, and instead of thinking why that might be, just try to delfect it by categorising it as criticsm.

To Viques

I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored..

Yes I agree.

If you can't see that this initial comment "I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important" came over as pointlessly critical then I can't help you.

If a number of posters are giving you feedback then maybe it's worth pondering why?
I'm not affronted by you having a different opinion - your suggestion of "ordinary women" being interviewed is totally valid and I addressed it respectfully above when I pointed out that:
"It very much depends on the context. "Ordinary" women - despairing parents, women sacked for their views can be exceptionally powerful speaking from the heart. But as we learnt in the early years of all this, you really have to have worked through the political issues & how to confront them, swiftly and concisely when interviewed - otherwise the word salad, "be kind" brigade drown out women's voices. I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored."

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Also, it looks like you have to be on Twitter to suggest people, so the Twitter view is the one that's likely to come through strongest.

How about Starmer and ambush him with Jenny Murray

”Good morning Sir Kier, and welcome to Woman’s Hour. Unfortunately the wet as a fish interviewer your office requested has been delayed by unaccountably being locked in the basement supplies cupboard with her list of approved questions, but fortunately Jenny Murray was in the building and has agreed to conduct the interview and extemporise.”

Sorry - this was to Iwanttoretire.

Anyway - enough squabbling on a dreary wet sunday evening.

Thanks