Starmer Radio 5 "A woman is an Adult female"

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Starmer says "a woman is an adult female, let's clear that one up."

Here the words of reality - 1.27:40 Radio 5
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001p101

Not so difficult was it now was it. So where is apology to Rosie, Tonia and everyone in Labour Women's Declaration?

Let them attend conference.

Also lets hear what Scottish and Welsh Labour think. Explain if they differ and why.

I disagree with the position they took but Scottish Labour have been absolutely stitched up here. The bill was one of the most contentious in the Scottish Parliament's history and a lot of bad blood spilled on all sides. Furthermore, it will not actually be resolved until the court case is heard although there is little doubt to the outcome.

Dodds and Starmer have put all that to one side, leaving Scottish Labour in the lurch, they supported a policy that was unpopular at the time but supported by the national leadership. That leadership has now done a flip flop and pointed the finger of blame at them.

IwantToRetire · Today 00:57

Labour’s Equality Act is not being used to protect women but to terrorise them

Maya Forstater (in the Daily Express!)

It was never the intention of those who drafted the Equality Act that it should become a weapon to threaten women’s livelihoods for simply stating obvious truths.

That it is sexual harassment to allow male colleagues to barge into the ladies’ toilets, showers or changing rooms. That is is totally inappropriate for a man whose womanly “gender identity” is based on enjoying crossdressing to be admitted to a women’s rape counselling group.

If Labour is serious about supporting women’s rights, it should say it supports this straightforward clarification, whether done by the Conservatives during this Parliament or by whichever party is in government after the next election.

^If it can’t make this commitment, then left-leaning women should understand that whatever their party says, it doesn’t really have women’s interests at heart*.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1795514/Anneliese-Dodds-Gender-identity-trans-transwoman-transman-womens-rights

Thank you for posting that. It gets to the heart of the matter:

What is needed to bring the Equality Act back into line with what was intended – and with common sense – is a small, simple amendment. That would make clear that protections against sex discrimination and provisions for single-sex services relate to biological reality, not to whether a person has got a “Gender Recognition Certificate” to change the sex on their paperwork.

and,

If Labour is serious about supporting women’s rights, it should say it supports this straightforward clarification, whether done by the Conservatives during this Parliament or by whichever party is in government after the next election.

If it can’t make this commitment, then left-leaning women should understand that whatever their party says, it doesn’t really have women’s interests at heart.

What a disgrace that it takes The Daiky Express to try to tell people the truth about what Annaliese/Labour has said about protecting sex based spaces
( the truth is it can’t happen while there is lack of clarity in the EA and Labour have so far shown no will to amend the EA).

Regarding the comment by @Beowulfa about Jacob Rees-Fucking-Mogg 🤣🤣 maybe the one good thing to come out of this shit-show has been the education it has provided in learning to spot basic principles and who sticks to theirs.

And who is a flip-flopping drip.

It all makes you realise just how rare it is for those in the public eye to have actual backbone.

I say, steady on. Let’s not forget Rees Mogg’s little passive aggressive notes trying to pressure civil servants back into offices where there weren’t actually enough desks for them

the man’s a copper bottomed ocean going twerp

I too have respect for Jacob Fucking Rees Mogg

I don’t care what your opinion is, I just care that I actually know what it is

I know nothing about what starmer really thinks

It all makes you realise just how rare it is for those in the public eye to have actual backbone.

This. The rise of the ivory tower, theory only, professional politician has been the absolute death knell on competence, morality or fitness for office.

I remember a few years back, seeing Anne Ruzylo speak at a public meeting, just after she'd been booted from a Labour post. My jaw dropped listening to her. You never hear a professional politician speak like that, without cards, without a SPAD script, from their own beliefs and values and life experience, with the ability to hold a crowd and to answer questions freely and willingly on the spot with real knowledge. She knew statistics, she knew references, she knew facts. She'd had a wealth of real life working experience and she knew exactly what she was talking about.

It was an absolute revelation that the Labour party HAS people of this calibre and capacity in its ranks. And yet appears to be preventing this powerful talent from getting anywhere near the top while raising up the kind of person you wouldn't employ part time at your local playgroup.

Labour must also be working on the people who would vote for the Liberal Democrat’s but for their vehement stance that women should have no right to be seen as different from men who say they are women, and no right to separate spaces from them.

This latest possible fudge ( which is what it is if they won’t amend the EA to say say biological sex trumps GRC sex) will be very successful in setting Labour apart from the Liberal Democrats.

I remember someone saying that John Prescott had been a fine, powerful speaker back in the day when he was a union activist. It was only once he was forced to toe the government line as a minister that he got all tongue twisted.

The Labour Party – and I don't suppose others are much different – rewards obedience, not talent or principles. So it's no wonder they end up with a bunch of talentless yes-men (and women) who will say anything they're told to.

I feel like this about Kemi Badenoch

I can understand what she thinks, she speaks clearly

Starmer - who tf knows, maybe he doesn’t either

Same.

I very much agree with this.

Just as I predicted. Get close to the election and do a reverse move. But how can you a few weeks ago say 1% of women have a Penis And now go back on it. Did you not believe what you said then or don't believe what you say now . It makes me even more angry tbh.

It's part of the box-set of tribal positions, few actually think it through. Or ever paid more than lip-service to the tribal positions on women's rights.

We don't need journalists we need someone like maya or Kathleen or both to do a TV interview. Someone who knows the law inside out . So he can't just do a word salad cop out

I think politics became far more stage managed under Blair eg "the grid" came in then..? Anyway, ever since Blair, we have definitely had much more polish and shine, and far less public disagreements between politicians of the same party. We've also had a decline in Cabinet Members being sacked since the LD/Tory coalition. I cannot remember the last government sacking and suspect it would've been under Blair or Brown.

So Reeves' instincts in this case are to protect The Woman. But why? What thinking went into that? Was it zero and was it a reflex "quick let's say she's being attacked Because Female, let's deflect and protect the status quo"?

If so, how is that going to bring about change under Labour?

He hasn't gone back on that.

He's been told men are legally female with a certificate so they fit that definition.

What do we make of the declaration by Scottish Labour that they are still in support of Self Id?

What's going on, and how might it play out?

Could it be that Scottish Labour are trying to attract SNP votes ( even though though Self Id was not that popular amongst SNP voters).

Well I guess the Scottish government are still taking the U.K. government to court over it, so still intending to continue.

Never understood why admitting you were wrong - and so wiser today than yesterday - is seen as a bad thing and "flip flopping". I'd likemore people to admit they were wrong.

The problem is that Starmer is not really admitting he was wrong. He wants to get self-id in by the back door by letting anyone go to a single doctor. They can choose that doctor themselves, so anyone willing to lie for money. TRAs are quite right that Starmer will probably backtrack on even that minimal safeguard because he just doesnt care about women unless there is a vote in it.

Cant stand Jacob Rees Mogg, being consistently a jerk is not good.

Exactly.

Yes, but that is the SNP, not Labour.

Maybe Scottish Labour feels that it has to continue to support Self Id because it allowed the GRR to pass, last year, without any meaningful amendments.

Should they continue their stance and Labour be elected at the general election how might that play out. It is the Tories who have blocked it, not Labour.

Great article on Starmer's gender problems also mentions the outrageous Aberdeen attack. The next year is going to be wild.
https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-tra-test/

Starmer has admitted what was wrong, that confusing sex and gender has lead to men to be housed in womens prisons. But his analysis of how we got there is naive, at best. Probably more of an outright lie.

He seems to think that everyone seeing sex and gender as the same has lead to this, not government policies and laws. He still supports the act that allows sex and gender to be confused - a man with a gender can switch sex on government documents. Thats not public lead or public confusion. Thats a top down lie.

He seems to be blamming society for calling out the lie, not the lie itself.

Also, how did i miss the news that Wes Streeting kept a note of women who disagreed with the lie?

Perhaps the best comment yet is a cartoon.

Also, how did i miss the news that Wes Streeting kept a note of women who disagreed with the lie?

He was a member of an illegal (because broke data protection law) Facebook group set up by activists, namely Lily Madigan and friends, to purge gender critical feminists from the Labour Party. At one point they had an open google doc spreadsheet of women with their membership numbers etc. I think when challenged later (this was over 5 years ago) he claimed he joined by mistake or something.