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ImGoingThroughChanges · 26/07/2023 09:29

Terrifying. Good for them to speak up.

ArabeIIaScott · 26/07/2023 09:47

'Police have not explained the missing footage.'

Seems pretty crucial. I hope she gets the answers she is seeking.

AmandaHoldensLips · 26/07/2023 09:49

Jesus christ. I believe her.

Pixiedust1234 · 26/07/2023 09:58

Oh dear God, that poor woman.

Why did they remove her knickers. I cant see any valid reason.
Why is an unconscious person handcuffed. I cant see any valid reason.
Why is an unconscious person left face down, as opposed to recovery position. Every first aider knows this, and I am assuming all officers are trained in basic first aid. I'm not one and still know this.

Those are the easiest questions to answer. But they can't.

Felix125 · 26/07/2023 10:17

Pixiedust1234

It depends on what the risks are when she was brought into custody as to why she was strip searched. Has she made a threat of suicide or is there a marker on PNC or intelligence to suggest this. Is there a suggestion she has drugs concealed on her - I think cocaine was possibly mentioned in the link.

We have had in the past people who have died in police cells before by stuffing items such as toilet paper, clothing, socks, underwear down their throat - so if there is a risk there, that's why they have been removed.

She may remain handcuffed if there is a possibility she will become violent again when she awakes.

If she is unconscious - she shouldn't have been left face down however.

We do it differently - we have cell watches for situations like this. So two officers will have to wait with her at the cell so she is under constant observations. CCTV on & BWV on. The downside to this is that it often makes the detained person more agitated as they are constantly watched, it drains all the police resources so we have no units free for burglaries, domestic etc. The local communities go mad when we are not attending jobs as we are all on cell watches.

Manchester may do it differently.

Boiledbeetle · 26/07/2023 10:58

Bloody hell!

After her release, Zayna went straight to hospital. Her medical report states: "Miss Iman does not have any prior history of mental disorder, she has been admitted with an acute psychotic episode which has resolved without treatment. It is highly likely that this is drug related to 'the date rape drug' which led to a sexual assault." Medical records also indicate sexual injuries.

If nothing happened why haven't the police given her ALL of the footage???

dimorphism · 26/07/2023 11:06

I believe her, the evidence she has is strong. Courage to her taking on the police

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2023 11:21

Boiledbeetle · 26/07/2023 10:58

Bloody hell!

After her release, Zayna went straight to hospital. Her medical report states: "Miss Iman does not have any prior history of mental disorder, she has been admitted with an acute psychotic episode which has resolved without treatment. It is highly likely that this is drug related to 'the date rape drug' which led to a sexual assault." Medical records also indicate sexual injuries.

If nothing happened why haven't the police given her ALL of the footage???

Indeed. It's a damning omission to say the least.

Felix125 · 26/07/2023 11:29

All the footage should be disclosed - or she should have been given a reason as to why not.

BubziOwl · 26/07/2023 11:39

Saw this on Twitter, didn't see anything on BBC news so thought I'd come here to see if anyone was discussing this - how come this isn't bigger news?

This is an absolutely disgusting allegation and the apparent cover up is surely of huge public interest. Is it because sky news have taken the story on that means the bbc etc will wait to verify it themselves or something?

I believe her, I think she's incredibly strong to come forward so publically

RoseslnTheHospital · 26/07/2023 11:54

That is horrific. What the hell is going on with GMP?? Those statements from them are bizarre - talking about these women receiving their "services" and their "services" not having been below an acceptable standard?! It's not a complaint of poor service, it's a woman reporting a criminal offence. And utterly inappropriate treatment whilst she was held for an incredibly long time for no reason at all.

Then the other two women who were subject to similar treatment by the same force. Strip searching as a tool to humiliate and dominate. It's despicable.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/07/2023 12:08

Heartbreaking. Nothing to add, except I believe her.

ladygindiva · 26/07/2023 12:10

Terrifying . I believe her.

AHugeTinyMistake · 26/07/2023 12:20

Well, this is one of the worst things I have read. Though there's been some competition this week with poor Amber

I believe her. And it would be dead easy for GMP to clear up what happened - just find the missing 3 hours of footage and job done, surely.

I hope she recovers ok. Brave lady for coming forward.

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2023 12:25

AHugeTinyMistake · 26/07/2023 12:20

Well, this is one of the worst things I have read. Though there's been some competition this week with poor Amber

I believe her. And it would be dead easy for GMP to clear up what happened - just find the missing 3 hours of footage and job done, surely.

I hope she recovers ok. Brave lady for coming forward.

It's horrifying, particularly in the wake of Wiltshire police 'blacklisting' people for perceived 'hate speech' (cf. 'sex is real and sometimes it matters), the treatment of Caroline Farrow by Sussex Police, and, most gravely, Sarah Everard and the Met, as well as the Met's behaviour toward women attending her vigil and later advice as to women's recommended course of action should they feel threatened in public.

And people wonder why women's trust in the police is at an all-time low?

Thoughts are with Zayna, and her courage in taking on this misogynistic, antediluvian institution knowing how far the odds are stacked against her.

AHugeTinyMistake · 26/07/2023 12:25

Also - being held in custody for 40 hours is not normal. GMP surely would have had to apply to extend her custody beyond 24 hours. So what was the reason for that? She wasn't charged with a crime, let alone a serious one that would justify that.

Everything about what happened to her is wrong.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/07/2023 12:28

No wonder women don't trust the police. They repeatedly lie, mis apply the law to their own advantage and can't even provide all the footage.
My guess is that they're protecting the indefensible and suddenly there'll be yet another predatory officer exposed.

RoundAndBeautiful · 26/07/2023 12:50

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Pixiedust1234 · 26/07/2023 12:53

AHugeTinyMistake · 26/07/2023 12:25

Also - being held in custody for 40 hours is not normal. GMP surely would have had to apply to extend her custody beyond 24 hours. So what was the reason for that? She wasn't charged with a crime, let alone a serious one that would justify that.

Everything about what happened to her is wrong.

I missed that part. 40 hours, most of it stripped. Fucking unbelievable.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 26/07/2023 12:57

Jesus it's horrific. The fact that they are refusing to hand over the missing footage screams abuse.

I have near zero trust in the police at this point.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 26/07/2023 13:31

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A misogynistic police force who have been shown to behave in this manner over and over again or a member of the public treated in a horrendous manner, I know who I believe.

The police in this country are dangerous and need sorting properly

Papernotplastic · 26/07/2023 13:35

I believe her.

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2023 13:45

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Just of curiosity, why are you here?

On a board dedicated to feminism and women's rights?

There's a perennial problem when women complain of sexually-unwanted conduct perpetrated against them by the establishment, or by men in general. This is the more-or-less default position of challenging that woman's integrity before they even begin to question the males' behaviour.

Rather than believe what the crime statistics tell them, or the general pattern #MeToo illustrates, there is a stubborn, socially ingrained misbelief - given to rugsweeping or outright denial - that men could possibly be the perpetrators of such crimes. Conversly, society is far more comfortable with the assumption that it must be women who are liars.

This is aside from the unassailable statistical evidence that the overwhelming majority of sex offenders are male. Still, it's women who are to blame and they must be punished twice - firstly by the indignity of being assaulted in the first place and secondly by the legal system which will pull out all the stops to make her unenviable experience her own fault. As for the police, the measure of someone's present behaviour is what they've done in the past. And institutionally, their present record is woeful.

Why do people do this? Why default to the position that any woman who dares assert her own boundaries and or preserve her bodily automy, having (allegedly) had this violated, is a liar?

I believe the phrase given to this is 'persistence in the face of all evidence to the contrary'.

Dumbo12 · 26/07/2023 14:03

Have they provided any explanation of the breach of PACE timings? Also if she was seen by the FME, where are that professionals notes and name, in the custody record?
I cannot believe that three hours of recoding have been "lost" when they were already aware of the horrendous "errors"in this case.
One incident would be horrific, a series of them, in the same custody suite, could be seen as looking like a pattern.

tryingtobeagoodhuman · 26/07/2023 14:06

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Which part don't you believe?