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SerafinasGoose · 28/07/2023 12:52

@Saschka - how simply horrific. I'm so sorry Flowers

BellsMoon · 28/07/2023 12:58

A woman has come forward about being left naked in a cell.

news.sky.com/story/birmingham-woman-says-she-was-strip-searched-and-left-in-police-cell-for-16-hours-without-clothing-12928762

Pixiedust1234 · 28/07/2023 12:59

I am so sorry @Saschka Flowers

It's repeatingly coming across as the Police are either incompetent or complicit, the CPS is either lazy or complicit, the judges generally view vawg as not that bad so even if convictedthe sentences are derisory. And then others (newspapers, forums, blogs etc) saying that women are over exaggerating, or they don't know enough law, or it wasnt that bad or various other utterly stupid answers. They don't see the rot, or don't care, or are actually happy to see vawg as a way to shut women up. Their lack of morality is sickening.

*Complicit - involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong.

BellsMoon · 28/07/2023 13:00

@Saschka So sorry this happened to you 💐

Felix125 · 28/07/2023 13:00

SerafinasGoose
PC Goon at it again, is he?

Back to just name calling again!
A very serious subject matter as well

SerafinasGoose · 28/07/2023 13:04

Pixiedust1234 · 28/07/2023 12:59

I am so sorry @Saschka Flowers

It's repeatingly coming across as the Police are either incompetent or complicit, the CPS is either lazy or complicit, the judges generally view vawg as not that bad so even if convictedthe sentences are derisory. And then others (newspapers, forums, blogs etc) saying that women are over exaggerating, or they don't know enough law, or it wasnt that bad or various other utterly stupid answers. They don't see the rot, or don't care, or are actually happy to see vawg as a way to shut women up. Their lack of morality is sickening.

*Complicit - involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong.

The assumption that women are generally liars, or at best are responsible for their own abuse, is the ingrained, socially-acceptable response to any of our complaints about unwanted sexual conduct, sadly.

I've had to learn this lesson more than once. And years after a man was fired from my workplace for stalking and sexually harrassing me, certain colleagues are still ostracising ME for refusing to accept that behaviour and reporting it. The attitude seems to have been: 'Our lovely, avuncular if very eccentric colleague an abuser?' (Unknown to me, he had a long-standing track record for this at the time).

Never. Must be the woman who's lying. I've been punished a second time for daring to report this and 'ruining the career of a "good" man'.

The hell. He ruined it himself: I never asked him to rub his groin up against me when passing or stand leering at my shoulder, right in my personal space, at every work event. He's disgusting, and the ones who supported a sex offender against the victim no longer receive - or deserve - my time of day.

I recount this story not because it's the worst story of assault I can relate, but because of the respose I received. It's fairly typical. My organization found in my favour and dismissed this man. Some colleagues still chose to blame me, both before and after they contributed to damning witness reports which extolled his wonderful character and dismissed me as unworthy of further notice).

Management had known for some time this was going on. I believe the lookout for women is getting worse, not better.

Pixiedust1234 · 28/07/2023 13:05

The force added: "Officers and staff became increasingly concerned for her welfare and took a number of steps to ensure her safety while she was in custody.
"It became necessary to arrange medical attention and to remove her clothing due to concerns for her safety and mental health.

It would be interesting to see the stats of how many men were stripped and left naked versus women. I hope Sky News keeps pushing.

Brefugee · 28/07/2023 13:17

Felix125 · 28/07/2023 10:21

Brefugee

So from now on we will not believe any 'junkie' then

Does that include 'junkies' who make a report that they have been raped....?

there is something seriously wrong with you.

You write all this piffle just to wind us up. I forgot about that. My bad.
I will not be answering your utter idiocy.

Brefugee · 28/07/2023 13:19

SerafinasGoose · 28/07/2023 12:51

PC Goon at it again, is he? 😂

Handsome Neddie Seagoon speaks more sense, tbh.

@Tallisker 😂

Saschka · 28/07/2023 13:33

The worst case scenario is that somebody in GMP has raped her and their colleagues have covered it up.

But even the absolute very best case scenario here is that GMP have arrested a distraught and drugged rape victim, re-traumatised her, prevented her from seeking medical care for 40 hours, and destroyed vital evidence (evidence of date rape drugs in her system, evidence of her injuries, forensic evidence from her body and her clothes). And they have then covered up this malpractice by falsifying custody logs (proven) and potentially deleting cctv.

Surely the officers involved should be sacked for that alone? Clearly falls well short of what any of us would expect of a competent police force.

Felix125 · 28/07/2023 14:18

Brefugee
You post from the previous page stated:-
"....the evidence was partly fabricated by two junkies..."

So you are suggesting that we should have ignored them.
Based on what - the fact that they are 'junkies'
And if that is the case - do you expect us to ignore all 'junkies' or people who have criminal records? What if they are a victim of a crime too?

If you don't want to answer - that's fine. But its probably because you can't.
Just go back to your name calling instead.

Felix125 · 28/07/2023 14:19

Saschka
So at the point where she was arrested - was there a suggestion/indication/report that she had been raped prior to the police involvement?

RoseslnTheHospital · 28/07/2023 14:24

@Saschka that's what I find astonishing about this case too, the implications are shit either way, and yet the initial statement from GMP to Sky News was just totally dismissive. Repeating the statement that no officer had "misconducted themselves" or acted criminally. How could they know that without having had a full and proper investigation?? At least the IOPC has been alerted to Zayna's case and other people are now on the case. But what if Zayna had not felt able to speak out about this?? She is incredibly brave to speak out and to push for a proper investigation.

RocketPanda · 28/07/2023 14:56

Has anyone ever seen the thread on twitter about five years ago about how old women were when men were inappropriate towards them? Thousands of stories. Men who rape and sexually assault are not rare. I bet most of us here have several stories.
And yet the default from so many is that the women are liars and they will do anything to preserve that narrative. I often wonder why.

SerafinasGoose · 28/07/2023 15:01

RocketPanda · 28/07/2023 14:56

Has anyone ever seen the thread on twitter about five years ago about how old women were when men were inappropriate towards them? Thousands of stories. Men who rape and sexually assault are not rare. I bet most of us here have several stories.
And yet the default from so many is that the women are liars and they will do anything to preserve that narrative. I often wonder why.

All we need to ask ourselves is who precisely benefits from keeping the status quo exactly as it is.

What does does perplex me is why so many women seem so keen to buy into this narrative. What's in it for them?

RocketPanda · 28/07/2023 15:11

People are socialised from birth to accept ' girls are bitchy and manipulative ' . Look at any thread on here on MN about having sons and no daughters and there are multiple posters crowing about bitchy girls.

Saschka · 28/07/2023 15:16

SerafinasGoose · 28/07/2023 15:01

All we need to ask ourselves is who precisely benefits from keeping the status quo exactly as it is.

What does does perplex me is why so many women seem so keen to buy into this narrative. What's in it for them?

If all the women being assaulted are “bad”, then being “good women” themselves means they won’t be assaulted. Of course that turns into a “no true Scotsman” argument, where if you are assaulted you have to be “bad” by definition, or it couldn’t have happened.

Pixiedust1234 · 28/07/2023 15:20

People are socialised from birth to accept ' girls are bitchy and manipulative ' .

Indeed. How many times do we hear of "i bet that little girl can wrap daddy around her little finger" or "she's going to break some hearts when she grows up" which somehow morphs into manipulative bitch in some men and women's minds.

RavingStone · 28/07/2023 15:43

What an appalling story. Has the BBC not bothered with it at all? I couldn't find it. I don't understand why it doesn't remain a headline until GMP fucking explain the lack of CCTV footage.

RoseslnTheHospital · 28/07/2023 15:47

It's not on the BBC, I did a manual trawl through the possible relevant sections and used their search facility as well. A bit shit really seeing as most other major news outlets, as well as local news ones, have covered at least some parts of the incident.

Datun · 28/07/2023 17:05

BellsMoon · 28/07/2023 12:58

"They were like savages," says Sinead Foley, 37, who was strip searched by police in Birmingham in November last year.

Another reads: "The CCTV of me pinned naked on my back in a cell by four/five officers then pepper sprayed is 'not available'."

Another said: "I struggle with the memories of what happened to me. The officer who assaulted me was sadistic, he got off on having that power over me."

Ugh. What animals. Unfortunately, no one on here is surprised. And I'm including people trying to pretend that junkies committing perjury at the behest of the police are 'giving evidence'.

Myalternate · 28/07/2023 17:35

If only GMP would release the 3 hours of ‘missing’ CCTV coverage, they could easily put a stop to any speculation. The fact that it is unavailable for whatever reason, suggests there is something they don’t want to show.

Clearly, they do have something to hide.

Dumbo12 · 28/07/2023 17:39

The lost cctv and the 40 hours in custody should be provoking a very thorough investigation, by an independent body.

AHugeTinyMistake · 28/07/2023 20:49

Absolutely disgusting @Boiledbeetle

Filth by name, filth by nature

Thread seems to be becoming a catalogue of police misdeeds against women. I approve.