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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

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ACatCalledPushka · 23/07/2023 22:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

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Boiledbeetle · 25/07/2023 11:52

I'm unsure as to why Myra felt compelled to agree AC couldn't uses the gents changing room, I suppose it would depend on how that was presented to Myra as a non option.

I note that poor Myras NO has been completely overridden by AC who has basically decided that their wants and needs take precedent over the woman who is uncomfortable with a male in her single sex space.

😠😠😠

teawamutu · 25/07/2023 12:01

Anne clearly doesn't give a flying fuck for what the support humans want or need. It is literally unthinkable that Anne doesn't get what Anne wants.

Ofcourseshecan · 25/07/2023 12:05

Ohthisisgetttingmad · 23/07/2023 23:28

I've drafted an email to the hotel - let me know if this sounds ok -
Hi, I’m sure you’ve already received a few emails about this and I have no desire to be antagonistic, but please support the staff member that referred a customer to the unisex changing rooms. I am in no way anti- trans, and can sympathize with the complainants issue to a certain degree. It must have been disappointing for them, but seeing as they have themselves admitted they do not “pass” as female I can understand your employees decision. The complainant is not a natal female and it was fair and appropriate that your staff directed them to a unisex space in this instance. We live in complicated times, and I truly believe that directing the complaint to the male changing space would have been disrespectful and unwise, but your staff member acted fairly and appropriately in my opinion by choosing the unisex space. A woman is not defined by her clothes or bearing, it is a simple matter of sex chromosomes. Given that there was a neutral space available ( eg unisex changing rooms) there was no discrimination here, the complainant was directed to the appropriate space.
Thoughts? I just want to support the employee.

Very polite and moderate, while making a clear point. Well done. I’ve been working on one but keep having to delete drafts as my anger bubbles up through them.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 25/07/2023 12:10

Isn't it interesting how, of all the common female names Anne could have chosen to use instead of giving away somebody'd real name, the name chosen to refer to a 'baddie' just happened to be one that's only ever associated with one single person: a serial killer.

If it had been a man whose views had not have aligned with Anne's, would he have been 'anonymously' referred to as Steve, Phil, John, Dave or Adolf, I wonder?

SerafinasGoose · 25/07/2023 12:14

stealtheatingtunnocks · 25/07/2023 10:24

Can you recall where you read that @SerafinasGoose

By no means a peer-reviewed source, but I was interested enough to make a cursory search as to how manifestations of these behaviours differed in men and women. The results didnt' surprise, particularly given female sex offenders are extremely rare by comparison with male ones.

Paraphilias | Psychology Today

Paraphilias

A paraphilia is a condition in which a person's sexual arousal and gratification depend on fantasizing about and engaging in sexual behavior that is atypical and extreme. A paraphilia is considered a disorder when it causes distress or threatens to har...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/paraphilias

SerafinasGoose · 25/07/2023 12:14

There's a section about halfway down the page on women.

Labtastic · 25/07/2023 12:30

Saw a good response to this which was a question asking what he wanted to do in the female changing room that he couldn't do in the unisex, and doesn't that just sum it up very nicely.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/07/2023 12:56

Labtastic · 25/07/2023 12:30

Saw a good response to this which was a question asking what he wanted to do in the female changing room that he couldn't do in the unisex, and doesn't that just sum it up very nicely.

Just confirms that’s it all about the validation and not “I just want to get changed”.

Labtastic · 25/07/2023 12:59

Yes, and it's also about forcing women to play a part in his fantasy that's being played out in public, and he has to get into the women's changing room to find the women to make them do that.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/07/2023 13:02

This is the first time anyone IRL (in real life) has treated me as if I am not a woman...

That’s a lie.

Labtastic · 25/07/2023 13:08

I try and let stories like this not get to me but this one has got right under my skin partly because he has unintentionally outed his real motivations. Doesn't want to change in a perfectly legitimate unisex changing room because there's no access to women there.

Fucking hell. When will women ever have something that is sacred to us? For the vast majority of these men this is a fetish that we're all being forced to participate in and it makes me so fucking angry.

SerafinasGoose · 25/07/2023 13:12

It will sound a barmy point to make.

But I really am coming rapidly to the belief, not only that no one has the 'right' not to be offended - and when offended assuming carte blanche to go after the perceived offender - but that this lack of right should be enshrined in law.

Hate speech needs an absolutely clear, unassailable set of definitions - already accounted for to some degree with public order offences such as threatening behaviour or causing harrassment, alarm and distress (which surely the TRAs yelling at 'Let Women Speak' in Portsmouth just lately were guilty of doing. Whilst masked, as cowards do).

It's a ridiculous, OTT position to have to be in. But the ridiculous, OTT set of uniquely historical circumstances we now find ourselves in have made it, IMO, necessary.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/07/2023 13:17

TalkTV presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer also weighed in, tweeting: 'Yeah, sure, what all women and girls are looking for when they're naked in a changing room is a big angry man who demands to be in there with them because he's dressed as a woman. Uh huh.'

<chef's kiss>

escapingthecity · 25/07/2023 14:01

SqueakyDinosaur · 25/07/2023 11:38

Here is Anne Coombes' own blog from last year on the subject of changing for swimming. The entitlement and encroachment is absolutely jaw-dropping, IMO:

https://annecoombes.medium.com/why-changing-is-a-conundrum-following-my-change-e3914e5e14ea

"In fact, I don’t actually want to upset anyone, but I am determined that I am going to use the female changing rooms. I am not going to be shunted off to a separate facility such as a disabled changing room. As I see it, the problem with that solution is that once it is taken not only are you identified as being different but it will inevitably become permanent. Having been ostracised, no one will give any consideration as to when that arrangement will come to an end."

He goes on to say that it's up to the woman who objects to find a solution that he is happy with.

Do we think Anne swims in the men's or women's category if they take part in swimming competitions?

Florissante · 25/07/2023 14:01

Yeah. Why would any woman feel uncomfortable in an enclosed private space with an angry bloke in a skirt and a bad wig?

Florissante · 25/07/2023 14:04

The sense of entitlement in that post is astonishing.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/07/2023 14:14

"In fact, I don’t actually want to upset anyone, but I am determined that I am going to use the female changing rooms."

'In fact, I don't care if I actually upset anyone, but I am determined etc etc because my sense of male entitlement is so breathtaking that I don't actually care about anyone else's feelings. Especially not women's.'

FTFY, 'Anne.'

forgotmyusername1 · 25/07/2023 14:45

escapingthecity · 25/07/2023 14:01

Do we think Anne swims in the men's or women's category if they take part in swimming competitions?

do you even need to ask

came second in womens category at the swim england masters

65-69 Years
1 – Amanda Heath, Spencer, 3:10.83
2 – Anne Coombes, Reading, 3:30.35
3 – Sara Perry, Cally Mast, 3:39.19

SinnerBoy · 25/07/2023 15:13

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · Today 12:10

Isn't it interesting how, of all the common female names Anne could have chosen to use instead of giving away somebody'd real name, the name chosen to refer to a 'baddie' just happened to be one that's only ever associated with one single person: a serial killer.

That's a very good point, which hadn't occurred to me.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/07/2023 15:57

escapingthecity · 25/07/2023 14:01

Do we think Anne swims in the men's or women's category if they take part in swimming competitions?

We know that Anne swims in the women’s category and is in world top ten for 65-69 category.

They are much slower than the other men and wouldn’t be anywhere the top ten in the men’s.

SapphosRock · 25/07/2023 16:26

Does anyone remember this Little Britain sketch?

The only difference from RL is the ending

www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qahpm

JoodyBlue · 25/07/2023 16:40

@SapphosRock it is so prescient that I am wondering whether Walliams and Lucas had seen this coming years back, but assumed that such behaviour would never be countenanced as regular in our society and so could be the subject of humour. Heaven forbid!!

getafringenotbotox · 25/07/2023 17:05

Just to clear something up for me please,

Is gender now considered the same as sex?

So it's gender that is how spaces are split?

Because I thought sex still trumped gender when it came down to it?

PriamFarrl · 25/07/2023 17:19
little britain television GIF

But we are, aren’t we?