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Nancy Kelly Quits Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 10/07/2023 14:34

The tweet, sharing without comment. For now at least!

https://twitter.com/nancymmk/status/1678389649515982849?s=46&t=3vhGKDq77qvuwlnTiE6jg

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Verv · 10/07/2023 17:42

HermioneWeasley · 10/07/2023 16:16

I wonder what anti gay lunatic we’ll be treated to next

Westboro Baptists seem to be her most logical successors.

AutumnCrow · 10/07/2023 17:42

I'll add it in, @JanesLittleGirl. A couple of GPs as well.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2023 17:48

TheGreatATuin · 10/07/2023 17:20

If I'm cynical, it might also down to funding decreasing. Organisations have been dropping Stonewall training left, right and centre and with the Bailey decision, its possible they've lost even more. Getting tangled with Stonewall is now a financial risk.
They'll also almost certainly have lost small donations from their core supporter base of the LGB. I suspect a lot of people have simply quietly stopped their DDs.
I wonder when their accounts are published.

They last did an annual return for the year ending 31 March 2022. This was submitted 24 January 2023.

Note: Prior to covid their annual returns were for year Sept - Sept.

Note the pattern from when Kelley took over (she started 1 June 2020). The first year looks ok (but the return for 2021 covers 18 months rather than 12) - it seems to peak. Then 2022 numbers were great.

Given we know that there has been a steady loss in income from government contracts and grants SINCE 2022 I can't see those figures looking great. And since the GCC case started in 2021 I can't see that income from other sources going up.

Nancy Kelly Quits Stonewall
KohlaParasaurus · 10/07/2023 17:51

Intriguing👋

viques · 10/07/2023 18:00

AutumnCrow · 10/07/2023 17:41

Can you imagine who'll be applying? My fever dream shortlist will end up looking like

Fox botherer
A soon-to-be former BBC employee
LOJ
Wee Mhairi
Nic and Peter (job share)
Dr Christian

Susi/Eddie? Not many acting roles around these days for a middle aged person with questionable social skills and appalling dress sense.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2023 18:02

viques · 10/07/2023 18:00

Susi/Eddie? Not many acting roles around these days for a middle aged person with questionable social skills and appalling dress sense.

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I would be delighted if Izzard got the job. Utterly delighted.

CliantheLang · 10/07/2023 18:05

Rightsraptor · 10/07/2023 14:43

Well that's a poisoned chalice. Good luck finding anyone daft enough to take that on.

Please tell me Nancy isn't going to the Lords.

I wonder if Bev or Kate would take the job...

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/07/2023 18:18

Organisations have been dropping Stonewall training left, right and centre and with the Bailey decision, its possible they've lost even more. Getting tangled with Stonewall is now a financial risk.

Through the Baily and LGBA cases they are seeing now that it isn't that at all, and that not only Stonewall can and will give them advice that can lead to discrimination claims, but "we were following Stonewall best practice" isn't going to fly as a defense when those claims arise.

AND - when the ordure hits the fan, Stonewall will quickly step back behind the parapet and let the organisation get covered in crap.

As happened when Allison Bailey took Garden Court Chambers to the tribunal. Suddenly, Stonewall was nowhere to be seen, and was backtracking wildly - and because everything was by implication, rather than clear, concise, written instruction (wouldn't you think a firm of LAWYERS would have insisted on that?), then there was nowhere to hide.

Allison Bailey, Maya Forstater, Bev Jackson and Kate Harris - they are cut from the same cloth as the Suffragettes. We all owe them so much for their courage and determination in the face of horrendous odds.

WickedSerious · 10/07/2023 18:22

See ya Nancy.

Hopefully not though.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/07/2023 18:46

Given that such a high profile charity doesn’t have a successor lined up ready to go suggests (a) no succession planning in place and (b) this was an unexpected resignation / jump before you’re pushed situation.

pues · 10/07/2023 18:52

So is Stonewall just all about the T then?
No surprise... bye bye see ya Nancy!

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 18:52

FlirtsWithRhinos · 10/07/2023 17:41

Yeah, I was just thinking about this today.

Stonewall has been acting like a standards body for diversity but isn't one. So companies who are used to following defined standards bodies and regulators just assumed following Stonewall's standards was best practice and would ensure they avoid discrimination claims. Through the Baily and LGBA cases they are seeing now that it isn't that at all, and that not only Stonewall can and will give them advice that can lead to discrimination claims, but "we were following Stonewall best practice" isn't going to fly as a defense when those claims arise.

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but "we were following Stonewall best practice" isn't going to fly as a defense when those claims arise.

I wonder if stupidity as a defence has ever worked?

Chersfrozenface · 10/07/2023 19:07

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 18:52

but "we were following Stonewall best practice" isn't going to fly as a defense when those claims arise.

I wonder if stupidity as a defence has ever worked?

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"Ignorance of the law is no excuse” is a general truism.

You'd think this would apply in spades to lawyers.

Perhaps the old saw needs updating - "ignorance of the actual law is no excuse”.

Clymene · 10/07/2023 19:10

I hope never again to hear her Dolores Umbrage tinkly little laugh

ArabeIIaScott · 10/07/2023 19:11

FlirtsWithRhinos · 10/07/2023 17:41

Yeah, I was just thinking about this today.

Stonewall has been acting like a standards body for diversity but isn't one. So companies who are used to following defined standards bodies and regulators just assumed following Stonewall's standards was best practice and would ensure they avoid discrimination claims. Through the Baily and LGBA cases they are seeing now that it isn't that at all, and that not only Stonewall can and will give them advice that can lead to discrimination claims, but "we were following Stonewall best practice" isn't going to fly as a defense when those claims arise.

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LizzieSiddal · 10/07/2023 19:33

Every time she appeared on TV or the radio, she made herself and Stonewall look ridiculous. I doubt even Labour would allow her anywhere near them.

Feckedupbundle · 10/07/2023 19:40

Excellent news to start the week.I hope they have an office whip round for a leaving present. Perhaps an emotional support dog?

ResisterRex · 10/07/2023 19:59

LizzieSiddal · 10/07/2023 19:33

Every time she appeared on TV or the radio, she made herself and Stonewall look ridiculous. I doubt even Labour would allow her anywhere near them.

Less than a month ago, Labour and Stonewall got together. Including NK and Ian:

https://twitter.com/iainwwanderson/status/1671149723841904642?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

AgathaSpencerGregson · 10/07/2023 20:01

LizzieSiddal · 10/07/2023 19:33

Every time she appeared on TV or the radio, she made herself and Stonewall look ridiculous. I doubt even Labour would allow her anywhere near them.

Oooh I don’t know. I wouldn’t be too confident there

AgathaSpencerGregson · 10/07/2023 20:04

ResisterRex · 10/07/2023 19:59

Less than a month ago, Labour and Stonewall got together. Including NK and Ian:

https://twitter.com/iainwwanderson/status/1671149723841904642?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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All the worst people in the same place at the same time. Stuff of nightmares

LizzieSiddal · 10/07/2023 20:08

Oh gosh I stand corrected, how depressing!

AutumnCrow · 10/07/2023 20:11

She's swapping roles with Ange Rayner?

SideWonder · 10/07/2023 20:25

James Esses has done a wonderful celebration of Ms Kelley's achievements over on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1678443809015754752

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1678443809015754752

LoobiJee · 10/07/2023 20:37

ArabeIIaScott · 10/07/2023 15:35

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/update-chair-stonewall

'Iain Anderson, Chair of Trustees at Stonewall said: “Nancy is stepping back after three incredible years at Stonewall. She has been at the heart of advancing and protecting LGBTQ+ people’s rights, not just across the UK but across the world. Under Nancy’s leadership Stonewall has achieved tangible, life-changing impacts for LGBTQ+ people, and the entire board and staff are grateful for her leadership.”

“The board will now be working with the Senior Leadership Team to ensure that Stonewall continues to strengthen its work to support inclusive diverse workplaces and communities, alongside our fantastic domestic and global human rights campaigning. We are fully committed to our current Free to Be strategy.”'

“Working with our SLT to…” suggests they’ve got an internal candidate lined up, which could mean she’s been pushed.

Their “Free To Be” strategy - which he says they will be sticking to - is focused on:

  • conversion therapy legislation;
  • hate crime legislation;
  • healthcare - which I guess means the supply of reproductive services to same sex couples, but would also cover hormone treatment for TQ.
  • “inclusive legal recognition of who we are and relationships” which I guess means gender self ID and removal of the spousal exit clause for trans widows wishing to exit marriages.
  • workplaces
  • educational institutions
  • inclusion in sports