“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

There is no protected right to threaten violence against women.

Could you send it to Faircop and Sarah Phillimore @lightlypoached

Are there only two sides Merlin?

Lily Cade was the lesbian woman first targeted by that awful homophobic term "cotton ceiling", which porn actor Drew Deveuax coined after Cade cancelled a shoot with him, upon her finding out that he's not a woman but actually a man who calls himself a woman.

I respect her righteous fury.

Well that will be interesting, won't it?

Let's check the equality of the police response and treatment with that of the individual shouting at a crowd to punch women for wanting equality. Because gosh won't that be helpful in the national press if it isn't? That should add some hefty weight to the 'oh holy fuck what have we let happen' burden on 10 Downing Street.

And if it comes to court, then all the defense lawyer will need to do for the (supposedly GC perp of this 'comment') is to drop the entire contents of Terfisaslur.com neatly printed off (in a well organised bundle) on the table and ask just how many of those death threats, rape threats and other perverted, insane violent fantasies that belong in a mental hospital against GC women were ever followed up on by the police? Because my guess is not one.

I would LOVE to see the general public become aware of just what sewage of insane violence has been streaming unchecked from MRAs in the name of TQ towards women for years and years. Would love it. Let's get it allllll out. Because 'punch me and I'll punch you back' will look like a kiddies little tea party.

One important factual inaccuracy in Daniel Warnerʼs response.
He says
‘The female is suggesting (inciting) members of the crowd to punch individuals who act on this belief.’
No, being a terf is a thought crime- it is not about what you do but what you believe, and he is therefore wrongly implying you can avoid the punching by not ‘acting’ [how?] on your belief.

Just to add: I continue to find it highly amusing that to an MRA/TQ activist, imagined and threatened violence towards women is righteous and holy and everyone should stop wittering.

If any of those women dare to retaliate by saying stuff like pronouns or saying if attacked they'd hit back and omg. Meltdown city.

It's just like my toddler. If he bites you then YOU deserved it. Look at him sideways and it's Not FAAAAIIIIIIIIR Mummy!

Hello.

Who are they?

Sarah Phillimore is a barrister (who posts on MN) who is raising a complaint to the Probation Service. Fair Cop are a pressure group who hold the police to account for this kind of thing.

The police, you'd get more use out of a chocolate teapot in July.

To think, I used to defend the Met at parties in London in the 80s 90s and 00s, lol.

The irony of men threatening women with violence because we want to keep ourselves safe from male violence 🙄

Freedom of expression to invite people to punch others in the face and proclaimed to a cheering crowd. That is not freedom of expression, that is inciting violence.

@spero posts on her sometimes I think

So if it’s within the law to call for people to punch other people who disagree with them is it ok to tell a meeting of Labour supporters to punch Conservatives?
Or a crowd of Manchester City supporters to punch Man United fans?

She does, yes. I don't usually tag people in without asking though.

It's vile that they are badging it as "freedom of expression" when the police don't think that applies to many women simply expressing "transphobic" views.

Its not within the law. The judges' findings in the case of Mermaids vs LGBA were clear only a couple of days ago: disagreement is not a justification for activists threatening violence.

TQ+ activists have no special exemption on this in law, whatever they might like to believe.

As I am Nostradamus I predicted yesterday the police would to nothing. But probation might. I have been contacted by several people, including a murderer out on licence who confirm that this is a clear breach of Baker's licence conditions and he should be recalled to prison

Thank you.

Strange how the police "forget" all about the right to freedom of expression when they want to harass women for hurting the feelings of men on the internet, but suddenly remember that right when it comes to hulking, violent male criminals threatening or encouraging others to batter women.

Actually, considering everything we've learned recently about the police's attitude to women, it's not that strange at all.

I was wondering if it meets the standard for incitement of terrorism. That apparently requires "serious violence against the person", and I don't know if calling to punch would qualify.

I think antifa violence should be treated as terrorism, because it's obviously political.

Don't know if I have understood rightly, but I think freedom of expression is allowed as long as the speaker is not attacking protected characteristics. Being a TERF is not a protected characteristic, but being trans is? That's how I interpret the logic, although I object to violent language about anybody.

So you think "freedom of expression" means you can incite a bunch of misogynists to punch the next woman they see? Huge if true.

Women aren't protected under hate crime legislation. But threatening violence is a crime.