“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

I agree that that photo is upsetting. I got to photograph 10 of the Vogue photos - the “Farewell Titties Tour” - and was very disturbed by the sight of young women who have clearly undergone double mastectomies. This photo is glorifying extreme self harm; these women should have been seen by a psychologist, not a breast surgeon. As a woman and as a mother who’s breastfed her babies, it makes me want to weep.

I wonder if they’ll get to 30 or so and think - WTF have I done to my body?

Bueller, Bueller, has anyone seen Nancy Kelly....

Have just had time to catch up with this thread, and over all I feel really gloomy and despondent.

I know there have been a few good news stories for some individual women, but this event clearly shows that if anything women's rights are even further at the back of the queue than ever.

The organisers, the attendees, the police, the media all thought that threats of violence from a stage publicly supported by the London Mayor were nothing to worry about. ie when its trans vs. women, trans are always given rights, women are denied being impacted.

The media has, unsurprisingly not bothered to report this, though (as PPs have said) individual women not on a public platformed have been chased and harassed by police for comments that are nowhere near anything as bigoted and threatening as this.

Politicians are just not concerned, dont think it is a voted winner, to publicly stand up for women's rights.

But on the days when I think maybe FWR has become self regarding and a little bit inward looking, the comments on this thread have shown the true and essential value of having this space (with a few rules!) to stand up for women.

I know there have been those on social media also breaking through the deafening silence.

But it shouldn't have to be like this.

After all these years wouldn't it have been great if:

• SJB had been promptly if not arrested cautioned after finishing speaking
• Trans Pride organisers had apologised that an "unrepresentative" member of their community had threatened violence
• Sadiq Khan had issued a statement about how Trans Pride would not be allowed next year unless they committed to behaving in an acceptable way and better vetted their speakers
• The Labour politicians who spoke at the event also condemned what happened
• The UK's supposedly free and fair media has held the Trans Pride event to account in the same way they do other events that promote violence

None of this happened.

This is a profoundly disturbing snap shot of just how low on both the political and social agenda women are valued.

It’s very depressing

I feel like we’re getting hammered and one step closer to no voice

We have been getting somewhere but Labour will end that

Suella Braverman spoke up!
I've been through it longer as the Lesbian community was an early target. It's depressing to realize no one gives a damn .
But then you find other women, organize and flex your power.
Women as a voting lobby have a shit ton of power; we just have to organize and exert it.

Rise up my Sisters! Be Amazons!
And demand our rights!

Good luck with your book launch Spero.

I was dead chuffed my story made it into the book!

He would be friends with Freda Wallace, wouldn't he? Another creep.

What time and where is the book launch please? I live near Manchester and will try to get there if I can.

See attached

How many twitter accounts does this person have?

Thank you

OK if Home Secretary Suella Braverman is Tweeting about it then the government are watching. As they should be. Any other MPs doing the same?

I don't feel as despondent as some. Baker has again illustrated the deep misogyny that fuels some of the TRA behaviour. The Met Police / Sadiq Khan / the Be Kind brigade have been put in an embarrassing position. A violent biologically male ex-convict has made call to violence on a public stage and now they have got to either carry on supporting Baker and risk being called an apologist for VAWG etc. or condemn Baker and risk the wrath of the TRA.

They knew what Baker said was utterly unacceptable and an own goal of epic proportions and so they hoped it would go unnoticed. It hasn't - the video evidence is out there, the Home Secretary is asking questions. I suspect that incidents like this will add to a growing pressure not to become to closely associated with any campaign group / movement and to focus on being far more neutral and impartial.

The key is for us to keep up the pressure on the Met, the Mayor, politicians and the media - to ask them if this is something they regard as acceptable. Force them to state a position on the topic. Get them to justify how a violent ex convict out on licence was able to issue such a threat on the streets of London with apparent impunity.

Let's see the it never happens crew explain away this one - nobody buys the righteous anger argument.

I tend to agree. This is part of the ongoing Peakening. The trans community has a tendency to self sabotage because it gives platforms to violent self centered males. It doesn't mean our side is bound to win, but it gives us a better chance long term as long as we are allowed to speak up because the gender types have to come up with desperate evasion to justify this stuff.

Example:

Peter Tatchell on Twitter now tells us Baker is one person who does not represent the Trans community. Too late Peter. Too late. You all platformed Baker... multiple times for YEARS.
https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1678441547610693655

Lots of hilarious comments pointing out if Baker doesn't represent the trans community why was he invited on a platform and why did his call for violence receive mass cheering at a huge rally?

An interesting article from Genspect looking at how Baker is part of a longstanding form of male crossdressing criminality.
https://genspect.org/abandoning-buffalo-bill-why-a-serious-paraphilia-needs-a-serious-name/

Who knows? It's like plauing whack-a-mole with some of these abusive TRAs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66132818

Even the DUP seems able to condemn excesses from its own side.

This isn't difficult.

Totally agree with what everyone is saying
and would add politicians and especially those in the government for the last 13 years, to the list here of those who have made it OK for this unchallenged threats of violence to happen, who need to do their jobs properly

Not one person, of any grouping or category, is "representative" of a whole group. This is not so much about indviduals and their behaviour as about the principle of single sex spaces, services and sports and what this means in everyday practice/reality.

We have such categories in order to give some protection to the dignity, integrity and safety of the female sex in certain types of situation. Males are excluded - no matter how lovely or kind they may be. Males are excluded because they are not female.

The many bad apples just further, and vividly, illustrates why women require such spaces - even in the most apparently benign of circumstances.

Yes, it’s worth remembering that this guy is castrated

he’s one of the men we’re supposed to be happy to have in women’s spaces because he’s ‘post op’

no thank you

Can you share the details of the email and the main points we need to document. I will email today x

On a slight tangent… I was doing some research into website accessibility and found a charity (?). Oh good I thought. I was looking for information for visible impairments.

So what’s the first thing I see - some pronouned person writing about how people with disabilities are disadvantaged - then a whole tirade about poor ‘hated trans’ people, and how sites must accommodate them.

wtaf? Won’t be contacting them for an audit or advice.

Yes. It is a rather helpful reminder to the establishment that men are more than just genitals, and removing the genitals does not stop a human male from being a human male with all of the issues that violent human males with a total lack of disrespect and entitlement towards females hold. Any more than internal senses of identity and changes of outfit do.

Lots of hilarious comments pointing out if Baker doesn't represent the trans community why was he invited on a platform and why did his call for violence receive mass cheering at a huge rally?

Quite.

Realising the hypocrisy, the double standards, the looking you straight in the eye insane lying while standing next to evidence - it's all what makes a sane person realise the problems, not least that you are talking to people who believe that reality is what they say it is, it is created by their feelings, you are an NPC in their life, and if you don't unconditionally enable them then you should be thumped/murdered/raped. That was a big part of what brought me here.

yep