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“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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IwantToRetire · 09/07/2023 00:46

Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

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fromorbit · 10/07/2023 13:17

More developments.

Baker is really peaking people. Article in the Spectator just posted from someone desperately trying to "be kind", but Baker's threats and the endorsement of his views from Trans Pride is just too much:

"Jane Baker made a speech from the stage through a bullhorn whose climactic line was: ‘If you see a terf, punch them in the fucking face.’ The organisers of trans protests can no more be condemned for ‘kill terfs’ signs in the crowd than the gender-critical speaker Kellie-Jay Keen can be called a Nazi because a cohort of white supremacists joins the crowd for one of her events. But this wasn’t some isolated lunatic in the crowd. This was a speech from a public stage, seemingly endorsed by the organisers of the event: the video of this incitement to violence appears to have been hoisted on Transpride London’s Instagram feed.

Can we say it was just a rhetorical flourish? I don’t think so. Sarah Jane Baker spent three decades in prison for a series of violent crimes including kidnapping and attempted murder. And here ‘she’ is, openly advocating violence and being cheered to the echo doing so. So speaking on behalf of the milquetoast, benefit-of-the-doubt, centre-ground-seeking constituency whom the advocates of self-ID, if they are to make any progress in the court of public opinion, will need to win over: what in the name of God are you clowns playing at?

In the last few months I’ve seen the idea of being ‘peaked’ enter the discourse: someone who might regard themselves as an ally, or undecided, or confused about these issues, someone keen to #bekind, digesting some piece of news and coming to the conclusion that the trans rights movement is now being spearheaded by vicious, entitled misogynists. I’m afraid that seeing Baker thundering that threat of violence from the stage and being cheered and celebrated for it has ‘peaked’ me. I daresay it will have peaked many others like me. If the purpose of trans pride is to celebrate diversity of identity and speak up for human rights, if the purpose of trans-inclusionary activism is to persuade rather than to intimidate, this seems to me a massive own goal. If you’re worried your opponents will ‘weaponise’ outrage at Baker to discredit your cause, how hard is it to make sure that there’s nothing to weaponise? There’s no excuse whatever for platforming a violent criminal offering to punch women ‘in the fucking face’, and even less excuse for celebrating it afterwards."

Sam Leith Trans activists don’t help themselves
Article
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trans-activists-dont-help-themselves/

2 - The Pink News article on Trans Pride is mainly on Munroe Bergdorf, but specifically mentions Baker as a leading figure at the event, but no mention of the violent threats. More proof of Baker's importance to the Trans community.

"Munroe Bergdorf was among a jam-packed line-up of powerful speakers at London’s Trans+ Pride including artist and community organiser June Lam, radical trans liberation activism group Transgender Action Block, figures from the Trans Workers Solidarity Network and Trans Prisoner Alliance CEO Sarah Jane Baker."

3 - Sex Matters have written a cracking letter to the London Police Commissioner on what happened asking for answers why this is not being taken seriously. This is not going away:
https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1678322547962568705

Keep pushing at the media folks. This is a big story, write in. Get your MPs to take a stance one way or another especially if they are in Labour.

https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1678322547962568705

nettie434 · 10/07/2023 13:17

👏🏻👏🏻 BoiledBeetle - that was very funny and accurate.
👏🏻👏🏻 Spero - for everything you do. Manchester is no good for me in terms of the launch but I will buy a copy.

PorcelinaV · 10/07/2023 13:22

"Can we say it was just a rhetorical flourish? I don’t think so. Sarah Jane Baker spent three decades in prison for a series of violent crimes including kidnapping and attempted murder."

I think the antifa flag is more relevant as evidence.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 10/07/2023 13:24

IcakethereforeIam · 10/07/2023 13:14

Well if he believes men can be women then logic is obviously not his strongest suit.

Ditto grammar.

RebelliousCow · 10/07/2023 13:29

The more public exposure Barker receives, the better. People need to be far more aware of what we are dealing with here. Isla Bryson was not a single, one -off episode. This type of shit is the norm.

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 13:36

nettie434 · 10/07/2023 13:17

👏🏻👏🏻 BoiledBeetle - that was very funny and accurate.
👏🏻👏🏻 Spero - for everything you do. Manchester is no good for me in terms of the launch but I will buy a copy.

😁 I have a new laptop and it censored out the 'fucking' in the last line!

Also highly recommend Speros book. It's a good read.

PaterPower · 10/07/2023 13:39

I’ve bought the kindle edition this afternoon. Good luck with the event.

NitroNine · 10/07/2023 13:42

I didn’t remember I’d reported SJB the other week (I spend a lot of time on Twitter reporting TRAs; it warms my wee heart each time one gets put on the Naughty Step, or better yet, banned) but it seems I did (I don’t content trawl, report will’ve been made on 25/06) - & I’ve just been notified of a Naughty Stepping.

Speaking of reporting, if you should receive threats on Twitter for [alleged] TERFery, do screenshot & share them - Twitter users can report the sender even when they make their accounts private. So yes, the your one upthread who was giving it all that about “sleep with one eye open” has been reported for threatening violence. And for avoidance all doubt (& benefit lurkers): I would, have & do report abuse directed at trans people as well; just as I report racism, ableism, ageism, misogyny, antisemitism, sectarianism &c - the latter keeping me particularly busy at the moment. Nobody has the right not to be offended, but people do have the right not to be abused by others.

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023
BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/07/2023 13:42

I’ve submitted a complaint to the BBC about their article. The combination of blurring out the offensive t shirt slogan and failing to report on Bakers incitement to violence being cheered by the crowd, and uncritically calling it a ‘day of love and rage’ without giving any explanation about what the rage is about means that their reporting was entirely inaccurate

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 13:43

RebelliousCow · 10/07/2023 13:29

The more public exposure Barker receives, the better. People need to be far more aware of what we are dealing with here. Isla Bryson was not a single, one -off episode. This type of shit is the norm.

SJB does show up the selective blindness of those who support men being given access to all things women related. So many times we get told that ALL transwomen are so nice and placid and and and...

I'm sure a large amount are, just like a large amount of men are generally perfectly fine. However SJB very starkly brings into focus that actually violent men remain violent men no matter what they call themselves, or what bits they remove, or invert, or what medication they take.

It's about time people actually see it for themselves. It's the only way they will be able to stop lying to themselves.

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 13:46

NitroNine · 10/07/2023 13:42

I didn’t remember I’d reported SJB the other week (I spend a lot of time on Twitter reporting TRAs; it warms my wee heart each time one gets put on the Naughty Step, or better yet, banned) but it seems I did (I don’t content trawl, report will’ve been made on 25/06) - & I’ve just been notified of a Naughty Stepping.

Speaking of reporting, if you should receive threats on Twitter for [alleged] TERFery, do screenshot & share them - Twitter users can report the sender even when they make their accounts private. So yes, the your one upthread who was giving it all that about “sleep with one eye open” has been reported for threatening violence. And for avoidance all doubt (& benefit lurkers): I would, have & do report abuse directed at trans people as well; just as I report racism, ableism, ageism, misogyny, antisemitism, sectarianism &c - the latter keeping me particularly busy at the moment. Nobody has the right not to be offended, but people do have the right not to be abused by others.

God those tweets are unhinged!

IcakethereforeIam · 10/07/2023 13:47

At least they're admitting that they're deliberately sterilising children and they're happy about it.

BoreOfWhabylon · 10/07/2023 13:59

Just bought @Spero 's book and am about to make complaint to BBC.

I'll also thank Justin Webb for being the only one on the BBC to mention this. z

We can't let this drop.

IcakethereforeIam · 10/07/2023 14:23

I've bought the book, pushed the boat out and ordered a paperback. Hope it arrives in time for some holiday reading.

ArabeIIaScott · 10/07/2023 14:24

A gallery of pictures from the event tell their own story.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/london-trans-pride-2023

I'm not sure which slogan is worse, of these two. I've not shared the pic of the person with testicles hanging out they's swimming costume, but it's in there, as are pictures of families who attended.

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023
“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023
YouJustDoYou · 10/07/2023 14:38

God, the parents who subjected their kids to those balls hanging out/bulging dick pouches etc...vile

RebelliousCow · 10/07/2023 14:38

Lots of narcissisitic exhibitionism.

SunnyEgg · 10/07/2023 14:38

ArabeIIaScott · 10/07/2023 14:24

A gallery of pictures from the event tell their own story.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/london-trans-pride-2023

I'm not sure which slogan is worse, of these two. I've not shared the pic of the person with testicles hanging out they's swimming costume, but it's in there, as are pictures of families who attended.

This is so sad. I think about the environment they’re creating for our dc.

Adults just pushing violence on women and people saying ok

fromorbit · 10/07/2023 14:47

The Mail have now run a second article on this discussing how the Met have reopened the case:

A Met spokesman said: 'We are aware of a video filmed in Westminster on Saturday, 8 July showing a speaker making remarks during the Trans Pride event.
'We have received a number of reports in relation to the video. The case was initially closed with no further action.
'This has been reviewed and the crime report has been re-opened. Enquiries remain ongoing.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12282337/Who-Sarah-Jane-Baker-Trans-activist-called-TERFs-punched.html

Sarah Jane Baker: Trans activist who called for attacks on TERFs

EXCLUSIVE: Sarah Jane Baker, whose violence behaviour made her Britain's longest serving trans prisoner, provoked outrage after he comments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12282337/Who-Sarah-Jane-Baker-Trans-activist-called-TERFs-punched.html

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 14:51

I'm sure lots of glamorous older people reading Vogue will love to see this motley collection of entitled teens and their moth eaten cardboard signs.

thirdfiddle · 10/07/2023 14:58

Those Vogue pics are indeed powerful, just maybe not in the way they thought. A powerful peaking machine. I'm bookmarking, and next time anyone in real life says what's the harm you can't even tell they're there... And remember, this is how they choose to.present themselves to the world, through an approving camera. No GC filter of just showing the oddballs. The odd balls are representative.

MavisMcMinty · 10/07/2023 15:04

JFC, what is Vogue thinking of??

Boiledbeetle · 10/07/2023 15:07

ArabeIIaScott · 10/07/2023 14:24

A gallery of pictures from the event tell their own story.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/london-trans-pride-2023

I'm not sure which slogan is worse, of these two. I've not shared the pic of the person with testicles hanging out they's swimming costume, but it's in there, as are pictures of families who attended.

That's an erm...interesting selection of photos!

mrshoho · 10/07/2023 15:08

😱👀 thank you Vogue lol.

SunnyEgg · 10/07/2023 15:09

I just saw that it’s Vogue

I don’t mind they show what Pride is like

It’s shows the shift and acceptance of violence against women

It’s palpable and it’s documented

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