“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

Yes lots of very sympathetic content towards the poor SJB woi was incarcerated in the male estate so many years, in such distress that he chopped his balls off himself.

Nothing about the distress this violent thug caused his victims.

You don't get 30 years inside if it's not extremely serious crime.
And we are supposed to 'be kind to this foul creature?
I have been re-peaker today, just when I thought I couldn't go any higher in peakery.

Like the tales if those who climb mountains and thibk they've finally reached the summit only to find out that its a false summit with a good deal further to climb

What crime category did you select?

(I checked with a police relative of mine, and he says that the response is technically correct in saying that no 'hate crime' has been committed, as TERFS are not a protected category - and neither are women. Obvs those men who have undergone gender reassignment are protected though. You couldn't make it up.
He also says that the guy's warrant number is very recent, so he's a newbie on the job with little experience.)

No hate crime, but what about crime crime?

I think I said it was a hate crime! Sex based. I pointed out that 'Terfs' (in itself a discriminatory term) are predominantly female as they are the Feminists in the term.

Holy fuck I thought the Met was attempting to deal with its misogyny problem. They've basically just given this man the green light to threaten feminists and incite violence against them.

I believe after a decade of this phenomenon simmering, and no other cooks allowed in the kitchen to check on the bubbling stew, the temperature has been ramped up, the stew is boiling over, now the other cooks have barged into the kitchen, despairing at the slop all over the hob and floor, and declaring this episode of MasterChef a write off.

Of course the trans gatekeepers have only one tactic. They won't talk. They can't talk. Because to talk would be to disown their decade old strategy of non engagement backed up by fear. All they have is their energy. But that energy is wilting under the glare of observation, as more and more are seeing this for what it is.

The result? Turn it up to Eleven...Mika Minio breast feeding, Sarah "punch a TERF in the face" at a Pride event in front of women, lesbians, girls, Guardian polemics demanding women unquestioningly accept men in their sport, refuse to accept material reality re Adam Bryson, the BBC only interviewing Peter Tatchell etc.

The slow motion car crash that has been the societal contagion of trans activism, has suddenly got faster and more anarchic.

There's gonna be a lot more stew splattered all over the cooker and kitchen floor before long.

The officer didn't deny it was a crime of some sort, just not worth taking particularly seriously.

It's violent far left extremism that could potentially get people killed.

Women aren't covered in 'hate crime' legislation. Although Sex is a protected characteristic it's not included for hate crime.

Although bringing up "freedom of expression" kind of suggests that maybe it's a crime, maybe it isn't.

That may be protected speech in the US where the bar is high for incitement to violence, but I seriously doubt it would be protected in the UK.

and Of course Marble Arch station was decorated for pride and Tottenham Court Road station logo was bedecked in trans colours. For goodness sake. It’s an all out take over.

So they can say I’d kill them or worse feel free to kill them but they’d get arrested if it was a black male, which happened on Twitter with a footballer.

The law doesn’t protect us from the same even though we suffer from male violence.

How can this be the case

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/our-guarantee-of-anonymity

Anyone can report a crime to Crimestoppers, anonymously.

The modern police of the UK can't be trusted by women. They'll always put men first, especially men that claim to be women.

It's saddening to read, but it's been the case for a long time I think.

That response from the Met just beggars belief. “The female” - absolute gaslighting. Playing down the fact this male was inciting violence against living breathing WOMEN, not some floaty philosophy. ‘Terf’ is not a thought. ‘Terf’ describes any woman (or in some cases, any man) who dares to say no to, or question gender ideology. The Met are an absolute disgrace who don’t give a stuff about violence against women and girls. They should hang their heads in shame.

It’s a breach of licence conditions (though that’s dealt with probation) but police should be alert to someone “just” committing the public order offence of “causing harassment, alarm, or distress” where this applies. However, in the circumstances, I think it should be considered to meet the threshold for encouragement (previously known as incitement).

If they made misogyny a hate crime /women a protected class half Parliament would be banged up & we’d need to septuple the police service (at least).

@PurpleGreenandWhiteAreTheNewPrimaryColours I'd have thought Incitement to Violence, but Google tells me that no longer exists, and has been replaced by:

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/inchoate-offences#_Toc533156577

Basically 'Encouragement of the commission of an offence' - but having waded through most of that incomprehensible legalese, I think that charge is only likely to stick if an actual crime was then committed, as a result of said Encouragement.

So, in this case, if someone did punch a TERF in the face, THEN maybe a charge could be brought against SJB that they had encouraged that crime.

But it's so circuitous that obvs no one would bother.

??

It says:

"It is not a defence to a charge of incitement that the other person, for whatever reason, does not commit the offence, or commits a different offence to that incited."

@PorcelinaV if it's talking about incitement, it's talking about crimes committed pre-Oct 2008. Not applicable any more.

Yes, sorry, I was quoting the wrong section. But it still seems to apply today:

Part 2 of the Serious Crime Act 2007 creates, at sections 44 to 46, three inchoate offences of intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence; encouraging or assisting an offence believing it will be committed; and encouraging or assisting offences believing one or more will be committed.

These offences replace the common law offence of incitement for all offences committed after 1 October 2008. They allow people who assist another to commit an offence to be prosecuted regardless of whether the underlying substantive offence is actually committed or attempted.

This isn't any sort of crime because the sex of female is not a protected category, and female on female threats would not be serious, right?

Have only just had time to come back to this having started the thread very late. But I was so taken aback, shocked, outraged, that I thought I'm not going to leave it.

I dont know about whether her or them or "erm" was said.

My thoughts are:
Trans Pride platforms someone who encourages violence
Trans Pride marchers applaud
Will anything happen?

Well it seems we now know they wont.

Interestingly as a PP said, within minutes of my starting this thread on FWR it came up as a top story when looking for other info. Now it does not appear at all even if you search for past 24 hours.

That is very, very telling.

I didn't think it could be reported as a hate crime as we know women are the ONLY group in the list of protected characteristics who are not thought to be important enough to have hate crime legislation to protect them (think rape, DV, pornography ... )

However I thought as a result of Maya Forstater case it was acknowledged that gendr critcal (which being a terf covers) are acknowledged to be a protected belief. And we have freedom of speech.

So cant understand, even without this case, that anyone inciting violence against any group (eg people with red hair) is not considered a crime.

Cant see the date on this page but this is what the Humanist says https://humanists.uk/campaigns/human-rights-and-equality/freedom-of-speech-and-expression/harassment-and-incitement/

I would bet a month's salary that if the piece of shit had said 'cop' rather than 'TERF' the police would have found something to charge it with.

Quite, Jane.

Or “the King”.

Sorry, not the same at all, I’m just all fired up reading Abolish the Monarchy at the moment.