“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

Equality Act - civil law protections against discrimination and harassment - "Gender Reassignment"

Criminal law governing "hate crime" - "transgender identity"

What is the quickest and easiest way for us all to report this to the police ? Anyone know

They just want to pee, indeed

Apologies just saw this
there is something wrong with the logic bit I want a glorious lawyer to point it out for me

Is the bit inside the square brackets yours? Did the respondent actually write that they will "punch back"? I.e. self defence unless I'm missing something important.

"I am emailing from the met police.
I have reviewed the matter you reported to us which relates to a Sarah Jane BAKER stating 'if you see a TERF you should punch them in the face.'

(NO, he said to 'punch them in the F**KING face.' Why have you edited out the expletive? It underlines the aggression accompanying this instruction.)

"TERF: trans-exclusionary radical feminism."

(NO. 'TERF' is a pronoun. The F stands for FEMINIST - ie a PERSON, not the feminism movement as a whole.)

"This is not a hate crime. A TERF is not a protected characteristic under the legislation."

(Under which legislation?)

"A TERF would be a person’s opinion, whether this opinion is viewed as discriminatory in itself or not."

(NO. A TERF is the person themselves, not their opinions. You can't punch an opinion in its f**king face. And he didn't say 'it', he said 'her/them', ie he was talking about punching a female PERSON, not punching the 'idea of feminism' - which is how you started off defining TERF).

"The female is suggesting (inciting) members of the crowd to punch individuals who act on this belief. This is not targeted at an individual, this is in a hypothetical situation."

(NO. Firstly, this person is not female. Secondly, a TERF is someone (almost always female) who holds gender-critical beliefs, which are protected under the Equality Act. They do not have to 'act on this belief' to be a TERF.

In any case, could you provide an example of how someone could 'act on' their TERFy beliefs? Are you saying that in such a case getting punched in the face is ok?

Also, he is telling the crowd to punch in the face any individual TERF they happen to come across. Actually. Not theoretically, or hypothetically. He is actually instructing them to punch any TERFs they see 'in the f**king face'.

Unbelievably inarticulate assertions there.

At least it gives me something to talk about with MPs who canvass round here. They are always talking about being tough on crime. I wonder if any potential MPs think that a convicted criminal talking about punching women is something they think is worth police time or not.

I was gonna ask if the police ever do inconvenience or detain people. Until I remembered, GC women. On a regular basis.

Yes, exactly.

All three of them silent on Twitter so far today by the looks of it. You would have thought at least one of them would have found the time by now to tweet their disapproval.

We need a question in Parliament about this. I hope the pressure on the police continues.

I've a feeling Daniel from the met may end up on the front page of the DM or similar soon.

Where's a DM journalist when you need one?

That response from the Met is quite astonishing. The point about whether Terf is or isn't a protected characteristic is entirely irrelevant - Baker is making a threat of violence against a specific group of people. If he'd said "Punch Tories" or "Punch white men" or even "Punch people who wear red trousers" that would still be a threat of violence and still breaking the law. Threats of violence are not protected by freedom of speech laws. You'd expect a police officer to know that.

Calling someone a/the ‘female’ is really dehumanising. Female person.

Although this particular person is male.

So if Daniel is going to use dehumanising language, then he can say ‘the male’.

I’m willing to bet there’s at least one out there busy screenshotting and figuring out their angle.

Just in case anyone was unclear that trans activism is a violent male supremacy movement.

Spectacular own goal from the met

I'm going to report it as s crime too and see if I get a similar response

The first condition for anyone on licence is:

An individual must:
(a) be of good behaviour and not behave in a way which undermines the purpose of the licence period
The Probation Service will have to determine whether this has been breached. I would suggest that this is not good behaviour.

This is the police station Daniel works at:

The Met Police has vowed to "root out people who do not belong in the force" following an investigation into harassment and racism in a police unit.
The police watchdog discoveredd_ "disgraceful" misogyny, discrimination and sexual harassment in a police unit based at Charing Cross police station.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61032343

Wow.

Unbelievable

Violence against women and girls

Posie getting involved...

If you watch the video, Barker says “punch HER in the fucking face” (not “them”)

I'm not familiar with Baker, so I've just had a quick Google. So many positive articles seem to be crediting Baker with being "Britain's longest serving trans prisoner", as though this somehow constitutes a lifetime of service. I can't help but feel that "Britain's most violent trans prisoner" or "British trans person who has committed worst crime(s)" would be more accurate.

I was on the strand yesterday passing through with my 15 year old DC. Many many of the kids there were that sort of age. Totally unaware of what they are getting into politically. They were there to have a party with their mates. Many of them had ‘no LGB without the T’ banners. I doubt you could have got much of reasoned argument out of them if you had tried to…

many of them had - I think - parents with them, mostly women. Many of the trans boys were wearing the sort of outfit that would have really disturbed me if a 15YO girl was wearing it - suspenders and hotpants.
just an observation really

i am horrified by that speech