What the gender critical movement is trying to achieve

[NotTerfNorCis]

Someone on Twitter has asked what the 'end goal' of the gender critical movement is.

Mumsnet is a better forum for discussing it (you can write as much as you want, and abuse isn't allowed) so I'm setting up this thread.

Personally I'd say the goals were broadly:

1. Transsexuals who are cognitively mature and persistent in their belief deserve to be treated with tolerance and kindness. They shouldn't suffer discrimination in jobs or housing. They shouldn't suffer abuse because of their transsexual status. The NHS should support them. People should respect their chosen name and pronouns, unless there's a very good reason not to.

2. It should always be possible to acknowledge a person's biological sex. That is what makes someone a woman or a man. For example, in media reporting of a sexual crime, or referring to a sex offender, the person's biological sex must be acknowledged. No rape victims should be forced to call a male attacker 'she'.

3. Where necessary, biological sex will be taken into account, and women's rights will be based on sex rather than gender identity. For example, sports should be separated into male (or open) and female, not 'male-identified' and 'female-identified'. Same-sex attraction should be respected. If need be, males should be kept out of female spaces.

4. Biological sex should also be taken into account in larger studies and surveys, like the census. Otherwise the data is misleading.

5. The spread of gender ideology needs to stop. Kids shouldn't be taught that 'woman' is defined by stereotypes, and if they don't feel comfortable with the social stereotypes associated with their sex, they must be the opposite sex (or 'non-binary', 'gender fluid' etc). In other words, as a society we need to stop elevating 'gender'.

6. Transitioners shouldn't be accepted without question, especially young people. Otherwise we end up with tragic cases like Milo: The prescription of puberty blockers should be reviewed. Clinics should carry out careful checks to make sure that the person's trans status isn't a manifestation of something else, like a repressed sexual orientation, or reaction to abuse.

7. Families affected by a member transitioning should be given any support they need, rather than being dismissed. That includes if they have a negative reaction to the transition.

8. The sense of being in the wrong body is an agonising mental health condition, as transsexuals like Buck Angel acknowledge: https://twitter.com/BuckAngel/status/1676398204412387328 There should be research to find out if the condition can be alleviated from a mental health perspective, without needing surgery.

9. (Ideally) any awards given to males competing in female categories should be retrospectively reviewed.

10. It should be valid to say that transwomen are not a subset of women and transmen are not a subset of men, without being discriminated against or abused. Gender critical beliefs (which are actually pretty mainstream) should be respected.

In short: genuine transsexuals should be respected, but sex is the ultimate marker of whether someone is a man or a woman and must be taken into account. Elevating gender stereotypes is anti-feminist. Genderism is a fad that kids need protecting from.

Trans rights are human rights - the rights to housing, safety, food, clean water. I completely go along with that but to me gender critical is nothing to do with trans it's about breaking down the stereotypes that still hold women back and alongside that women need single sex spaces for reasons of safety, dignity and comfort due to their sex. No one can change sex its not physically possible.

Sex is the only relevant identifier of what human beings should be categorised as in terms of male and female status and facilities.

official documents like birth certificates and passports should not be altered - it’s falsifying and fraudulent.

And I don’t want to be forced to used pronouns because ‘it’s kind’ - fuck that.

That woke people Lee their batshit ideology to themselves

I just want it all to go away so we can get back to where we were and campaign for issues like VAWG, ending sex-based discrimination and so on.

Repeal of the GRA
Jail those who gave people untested medications or removed body parts under the guise of being 'non-conforming'
Sack all the gender wibblers in companies and education and government and stop spending money on all this shite.

I agree with this.

For me, being gender critical means being critical of the concept of gender being applied to people - i.e. critical of gender stereotyping and gendered expectations. People should be able to live their lives as they want in terms of appearance and interests, but nobody should be thinking that they are showing evidence of being like the opposite sex because of their preferences.

What I would like to achieve is to abolish gender altogether in this context. (Obviously gender will still exist as a linguistic term.)

And adults should stop encouraging children to believe they have a 'gender identity' which leads them to a medicalised path resulting in sterilisation and impaired sexual function.

I suppose gender critical does make a statement on what trans is, though, and what kind of role trans people have in society. Personally I see that as being tolerant, without having to accept that gender trumps sex.

Less of this

and this

and this

And this

I don’t care about ‘genuine feelings’ just biological reality.

The gender critical movement isn't a movement in and of itself - it is a reaction to the erosion of women's rights and the threat to the safeguarding of children. It's a sad fact that equality for women has been trampled all over before it was even fully attained, and many people who call themselves feminists don't even see this.

I think it has always been a vital aim of feminism to dismantle gender roles - the whole pink/blue thing, the "girls are kind and caring, boys are rough and tumble", and so on. I think toxic masculinity is tied up in this. I think homophobia is tied up in this - it's seen as weak and "lesser" to behave "effeminately" - and this is tied into misogyny. If people could reach a stage of recognising the differences between the sexes whilst respecting and celebrating those differences, whilst not forcing gender stereotypes onto anyone, we'd be onto a winner.

We need to reach a stage where anyone can wear what they like without being judged. Imagine being a sensitive man who could wear a skirt and makeup without being considered "girly" and having his sexual orientation questioned - if those things were no big deal for a person of his sex, I don't think it would occur to him that he's "in the wrong body" or "he must be a girl because he likes girl things". If "female clothing" wasn't taboo, would AGP even exist? There would be no illicit thrill to it. If women were held in the same esteem as men, sissification wouldn't exist, because again, there would be no transgressive thrill to it.

Men need to respect women's relative physical weakness as a difference and not something to take advantage of. Women's role as the child-bearing sex needs to be respected and society structured so that raising children is not seen as lesser and "women's work".

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except to say that I think the TRA movement is a symptom of various ills in society, misogyny being the main one. A lot needs to happen to fix this shitshow, and I don't know how we would achieve such a massive shift in thinking. The TRA movement is regressive in so many ways and at least the GC movement is standing up to this and letting the world know that women are not ready to be walked all over. Again. Yet again.

the TRA movement is a symptom of various ills in society, misogyny being the main one.

Misogyny is a big part of it. Really offensive stereotypes on display from males, ranging from little-girl to ditzy to super-sexualised. Lack of concern for the impact on women. General dismissal of 'cis' women, sexism leaking out even from men who see themselves as progressive. Then going the other way, girls rebelling against restrictive gender roles by identifying as male, with many of them regretting it bitterly later on.

Blood and urine tests are par for the course when testing athletes for doping. All watched of course to make sure samples aren't substituted

We've spent the last 3 year with cotton buds down our throats making us retch to test for Covid

A cheek swab to test for testosterone cheating to prove you're XX is not invasive. Anyone saying it is clearly on the side of males in women's sports

🙌🙌🙌🙌 common sense...thank you!

I disagree with point number one. I also disagree with it being put as number 1 @NotTerfNorCis.

For me, your summary doesn’t go far enough either.
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1. Repeal the GRA.
2. Remove the word ‘gender’ from all statutes. For example, in The Equality Act, ‘gender reassignment’ is a superfluous protected characteristic. The right to defy sex stereotypes is covered by ‘sex’ as a protected characteristic, the right to be free from homophobic harassment (because people assume homosexuality by atypical behaviour or presentation for one’s sex) is covered by the protected characteristic ‘sexual orientation’, the right to believe in genderism is covered by the right to religion or belief.
3. Transitioning children to be a recognised form of child abuse. And for those who have taken part in some way towards the mutilation and sterilisation of children and young people to be prosecuted and heavily punished.
4. Coercing people to pretend you have change sex to be recognised as abuse. This includes gaslighting partners and children or colleagues in the work place.
5. Legal action against schools which indoctrinate children in political propaganda and expose children to inappropriate sexual materials and knowledge.
6. No blockers, cross-sex hormones, surgeries or treatments to give the appearance of being the opposite sex on the NHS.
7. Re-establishment of the correct meanings of words around sex in language and law. This includes male and female, mother and father, boy and girl, etc.
8. The correct sex of people in news reports or sanctions for misinformation.
9. Re-establishment of single-sex services and facilities from hospital wards, schools, through prisons and changing rooms. Mandatory clarity that sex means sex. Legal action against establishments which claim to offer single sex services and facilities, but have a policy of allowing members of the opposite sex to use them.
10. New laws to protect freedom, democracy and prevent regulatory capture. This would cover the Bench Book, the CPS, College of Policing, Ipso, banking, universities and schools, etc, etc.
11. A summit on methods to prevent delusional and misanthropic people from organising to undermine society, democracy and family in future.

For a start.

Yes exactly!

My view entirely.

Just shrug your shoulders and move on , and in moving on, roll your eyes behind their backs - the second part is optional.

"I disagree with point number one. I also disagree with it being put as number 1 @NotTerfNorCis."

Yes. To me this read as a tru-trans monologue in which women and children were (as usual) 2nd to the men feelz

I can't shrug my shoulders at all at this but also I think my eyes are irreversibly damaged by the eye-rolling I've had to do in the last 5 years

Present however you please,
love whoever you please,
live however you please,
accept that sex matters.

Respect others and yourself.

'end goal'

There is no 'end goal'. That suggests we want so sort of nefarious objective and to control others.

No.

Women aren't trying to revolutionise something here.

Recognition that sex is real and discrimination and abuse on the basis of sex is all that's wanted.

Getting that recognition forces protections.

Women being able to call themselves what they want and decide their future free from men's control isn't much. It's just autonomy.

And none of this is the business of males. Of any kind.

I should have added...

Do no harm,
Do not allow harm to be done to others.

As others have said, no end goal, this is not a 'movement' more how I would want life to be.

There's no one movement - it's just a case of fighting fires to retain / rescue the sex-based rights we're supposed to have already.

Transsexuals who are cognitively mature and persistent in their belief deserve to be treated with tolerance and kindness. They shouldn't suffer discrimination in jobs or housing. They shouldn't suffer abuse because of their transsexual status. The NHS should support them.

Why is the first objective in your list all about transsexuals?

Also, everyone deserves to be treated with tolerance and respect and be able to access appropriate NHS care, not just "Qualifying Transexuals" - what an odd thing to say.