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Radio 4. Right now. Is freaking me out.

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OnePotPolly · 07/07/2023 00:08

Transmen who want us all to accept that they are actual men. But they are a subset of men who can give birth to babies..
Which only women can do, in fact.

And still claim that they are men. After giving birth to babies. From their wombs.

And the presenter on R4 is actually going with it. And sympathising with the person that obviously men can give birth. Or is he just presenting it so that the audience can draw their own conclusions?

Whatever it is, it is winding me up no end. I have listened to R4 for the past 50 years - 50 YEARS!! every night without fail, while I potter about in the kitchen, tidying up and popping a bit of baking in the oven. I love radio 4, it has seen me through many traumas. Divorce, death of parents, death of sibling, permanently life altering illness of my child. Radio 4 has always been there as a stalwart support. A reality check. Reassurance that the rest of the world continues as normal - ordinary, normal even if it's bad news or a war between foreign nations. Right up to 1am and "Sailing By"

I love Sailing By. I find it, at the same time, both soothing and sad (because it's a reminder of times past)

But the shite that I've just listened to has totally wrecked it for me.
What a load of utter bollocks they have just allowed on air.

Unless they're just airing it to show how ludicrous and self absorbed some people can be. . . . .

Really hope that's what it turns out to be.

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Pluvia · 07/07/2023 11:04

’ve already apologised for that. so move on. You’re not exactly showing the best side of yourself right now, so we all occasionally get the tone wrong, don’t we?

Ho hum.

Beowulfa · 07/07/2023 11:08

Back to the topic; the subject of the show that so infuriated the OP had an elective double mastectomy, then expressed surprise at being unable to breastfeed. Intelligent and pro-active journalism would be asking how the fuck healthy organs can be removed from people who cannot or will not understand the irreversible physical consequences, and what has happened to medical ethics. But you won't find that kind of grown-up reporting by the BBC or Guardian these days sadly.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/07/2023 11:15

Mythoughtextract · 07/07/2023 07:21

Times radio is owned by Rupert Murdoch an Australian who has been instrumental in causing brexit which has done much billions of pounds of damage, untold cultural damage, extra covid deaths and likely was instrumental in Putin invasion of Ukraine

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If I posted something like this about the Guardian and its indebtedness to certain other nation states, you would tell me to put my tinfoil hat on.

dcbc1234 · 07/07/2023 11:21

Beowulfa · 07/07/2023 11:08

Back to the topic; the subject of the show that so infuriated the OP had an elective double mastectomy, then expressed surprise at being unable to breastfeed. Intelligent and pro-active journalism would be asking how the fuck healthy organs can be removed from people who cannot or will not understand the irreversible physical consequences, and what has happened to medical ethics. But you won't find that kind of grown-up reporting by the BBC or Guardian these days sadly.

Beggars belief and I expect the NHS paid for said unnecessary double mastectomy?
We as a society have been trapped inside the pages of 'The Emperor's new clothes' for several years now but still so many people refuse read to the end or to take on board the essential message about power dynamics and mass delusion. The King couldn't be contradicted and the 'herd mentality' in refusing to speak out the truth for fear of being censored or worse. It took a child to state the obvious: 'The King has no clothes'.
They are now coming for the children too so they can't speak out.
I hope that one day soon sanity on these issues will prevail and freedom of thought and speech will be prioritised once again.

Fiftyisthenewsixty · 07/07/2023 11:28

StellaJohanna · 07/07/2023 01:11

I know how you feel OP. I have listened to radio 4 all my life from childhood, through university, working all over the world and carrying a radio with me SW/MW/ LW little radio abroad - remember those days? Radio 4 was my best friend, the backdrop to my life. I had to ditch it 3 years ago, and when I catch it on in my mother's house it is unbearable. Every programme is contaminated with propaganda and woke crap from The Archers to Open Country. Dumbed down, patronising, nasty propaganda - so transparent and depressing. Even the beloved World Service is going the same way.

I was going to write a reply but it would basically be this!

unsync · 07/07/2023 11:34

I don't listen any more either, it's become an echo chamber of wokeness.

stbrandonsboat · 07/07/2023 12:59

I feel well and truly diddled by radio 4 because I'd always planned on spending my retirement listening to intelligent and interesting radio programmes on it, now I can't, and there's no other alternative.

TheKeatingFive · 07/07/2023 13:00

I feel well and truly diddled by radio 4 because I'd always planned on spending my retirement listening to intelligent and interesting radio programmes on it, now I can't, and there's no other alternative.

Lots of great podcasts out there. I'm enjoying The Rest Is History and The Rest Is Politics.

justasking111 · 07/07/2023 13:06

stbrandonsboat · 07/07/2023 12:59

I feel well and truly diddled by radio 4 because I'd always planned on spending my retirement listening to intelligent and interesting radio programmes on it, now I can't, and there's no other alternative.

Jakers that was your ambition to listen to the radio when you retired

ILikeDungs · 07/07/2023 13:20

QuickWash · 07/07/2023 09:00

I grew up with Radio 4, my mum loved it and listened to The Archers, Woman's Hour, World at One etc, so I always did too.

I enjoyed Woman's Hour with Jenni and Jane but have really struggled since and now haven't listened for a couple of years. Not discussing anything to do with GRA, women in sport, men in women's prisons etc for YEARS when it was a glaring omission was ridiculous.

I used to enjoy Fortunately with Fi and Jane but again, they were overly positive and lacking in critical analysis or challenge on feminist issue and it grated too much in the end. Their interview was Paris Lees was a real let down.

The Archers turned into absolute drivel. I don't think my mum particularly listens any more, ending a decades long habit.

The lack of headlines about court cases like Allison Bailey's. The unquestioning reporting of male crimes as perpetrated by women etc meant that Today/PM led me to wonder what else they weren't telling me.

I listen to Podcasts mostly now, with Times Radio to wake up to. Literally can't remember the last time I tuned into R4 (and my car used to be permanently on it).

This is exactly my experience (apart from the Archers, which I couldn't listen to ever).

If the BBC, in newscasts or especially Woman's Hour, are NOT covering very important women's issues but are interviewing Grace Lavery, for instance, on WH, about his book which is about his penis... Well honestly, they are just trolling women, no? Evan Davis certainly does with his gleeful coverage of all things trans, contrasting sharply with his treatment of guests 'on the other side', like Harry Miller who challenged the College of Policing in court.

We all know they are not reporting ALL the news, because other outlets carry stories the BBC won't touch. We know, and they know we know, and we know they know we know is the madness that is going on right now.

WH made the mistake on twitter once of asking who they should have on. Every second tweet asked for an interview with Helen Joyce. She has never been interviewed by the BBC, despite her bestselling book. Anyone who doesn't know about her-- go on youtube and look up interviews. Any one of them, really. She is good at cutting through the crap and setting out the facts in a way that is so sensible, so reasonable. Which is why the BBC ban her, l believe.

Since the BBC knows they are not fooling quite a large group of would-be listeners (they are possibly fooling the ones who stick to BBC and The Guardian for news though) I do wonder: what is the plan? Was there a meeting where this direction was decided? Or are new graduates working behind the scenes to orchestrate the world as they would wish it to be?

And as someone else said, you've got to wonder what else they are keeping from us to control the narrative when important news items are ignored. And what they are actively feeding us to control the narrative when they adopt the "sex assigned at birth" type speak and groom children with programs about "100 genders". I feel manipulated when I listen to the BBC. So I don't listen.

ILikeDungs · 07/07/2023 13:34

I don’t agree that the Guardian has an obvious bias.

<snork>

Bingbangbongbash · 07/07/2023 13:47

ILikeDungs · 07/07/2023 13:34

I don’t agree that the Guardian has an obvious bias.

<snork>

Bless you

BadGranny · 07/07/2023 14:01

Pluvia · 07/07/2023 10:13

Why on earth are people so personally invested in the way other people choose to live? It’s no-one’s business except those involved. I’d respectfully suggest that the OP gets a life.

It's not about the way other people live. It's about women's rights, it's about freedom of speech, it's about the sterilisation and mutilation of lesbian, gay, autistic, confused and abused children. It's about silencing people who disagree with threats to rape them and their children, or club them to death with baseball bats covered in barbed wire.

Because those people are demanding that the rest of the world changes to accommodate their needs. They demand adherence to pronouns and dismissal from your work if you don't. They demand that the rest of the world says things they know not to be true. They deny debate — remember transwomen are women, no debate? They try to suppress free speech. Here's Professor Alice Sullivan on the importance of being able to to talk about the reality of sex:

And above all, they leave the vast majority of women uncomfortable and wondering why it's not okay for white people to pretend to be black, or why we can't all identify as pension age in order to claim our pensions, but it's perfectly okay for a man to say he's a woman and then beat women in women's sport or sit in the women's changing room watching women changing.

I disagree with you. You may climb down off your soapbox now.

Arealnumber · 07/07/2023 14:07

Same thing has happened with ABC in Australia, except even worse. It used to be quality broadcasting.

yipeeyiyay · 07/07/2023 14:10

Soozikinzii · 07/07/2023 00:23

I think all this stuff is very homophoboc . Like why can't they just be gay ? A butch lesbian or a gay man ? What's wrong with that .? There's something sinisterly homophobic about it all. IMHO .

I'm not sure 'just being gay' is any more reasonable a demand than 'just be straight'. Whilst the whole trans thing puzzles me, I at least acknowledge being trans and being gay aren't interchangeable options.

stbrandonsboat · 07/07/2023 14:19

justasking111 · 07/07/2023 13:06

Jakers that was your ambition to listen to the radio when you retired

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Yes, I am extremely boring and introverted.

TheKeatingFive · 07/07/2023 14:36

I at least acknowledge being trans and being gay aren't interchangeable options

I don't think it's about 'just being gay', but I've never understood a difference between being gender non conforming and being 'trans'.

Or specifically, a difference that doesn't depend on recourse to social stereotypes or an unspecified 'feeling'.

ILikeDungs · 07/07/2023 15:24

@BadGranny I disagree with you. You may climb down off your soapbox now.

But what do you disagree with, specifically, in what Pluvia has said? Genuinely curious, not sniping

AgathaSpencerGregson · 07/07/2023 16:33

Pluvia · 07/07/2023 10:30

I don’t really see why you’re getting all upset. I was taking the piss out of someone because they presented a fallacious argument. I apologised because it wasn’t kind. I also refuted the notion that someone had about me thinking only thick people read the right wing press by saying I personally know many clever, well-educated people that read it. And now you’re suggesting I have some personal issue with people of lesser education? Not at all. I think you might be projecting. In the course of my job, I spend lots of time with people of all walks of life. Usually we rub along just fine, thanks for asking.

I did have to tell someone to fuck off when they started telling me how my sort had ruined the country, but it was only the once.

Is that you, Jolyon? I'm surprised you aren't having to tell people to fuck off several times a day, frankly.

Yes! I knew this poster brought someone to mind. Not so much jolyon, but one of those who keep giving him money for his vanity project.

aramox1 · 07/07/2023 16:43

'Woke' means aware, awakened, to racism. It's ridiculous to use it about this.

dcbc1234 · 07/07/2023 16:56

aramox1 · 07/07/2023 16:43

'Woke' means aware, awakened, to racism. It's ridiculous to use it about this.

Well sorry but just as certain people keep trying to pinch women's words to describe and refer to ourselves, we the people fighting back against the encroachment of 'gender identity ideology' into all aspects of life and public institutions will be sticking with 'woke' as a catch-all (well understood in the British media now at least) for this massive overreach into multiple 'intersectional' 'equalities' areas.

TheGreatATuin · 07/07/2023 17:02

aramox1 · 07/07/2023 16:43

'Woke' means aware, awakened, to racism. It's ridiculous to use it about this.

A word's meaning is dependent on how it is used, and it changes with time.
That's no longer how most people use it, including people who say it about themselves. I'd say the volume of people who use it as to indicate they are more virtuous than others is much higher than anyone using it in the old sense.

Bingbangbongbash · 07/07/2023 17:05

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BadGranny · 07/07/2023 17:24

ILikeDungs · 07/07/2023 15:24

@BadGranny I disagree with you. You may climb down off your soapbox now.

But what do you disagree with, specifically, in what Pluvia has said? Genuinely curious, not sniping

Individual people choose to do things I think are stupid, bad for society, may have long term consequence, or may cause hurt. If I know those people personally, I may counsel them to re-consider. If it’s someone I don’t have a personal stake in, their choices are their own, and provided what they do is legal (and society has every right to prosecute someone who does something illegal), and provided it doesn’t do me or mine harm, then it’s really none of my business. I’m bored with people who take up ‘causes’ on behalf of people they think are likely to be harmed, and in doing so, instead cause harm to those they fulminate against.

if @Pluvia is personally affected by the issues, she is at perfect liberty to challenge directly those she believes are doing her harm. Whipping up indignation in a social media forum is not an effective way to address the issues.

Abhannmor · 07/07/2023 17:39

yipeeyiyay · 07/07/2023 14:10

I'm not sure 'just being gay' is any more reasonable a demand than 'just be straight'. Whilst the whole trans thing puzzles me, I at least acknowledge being trans and being gay aren't interchangeable options.

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Of course they're not interchangeable , that's the point @Soozikinzii was making