'Trans 4 times as likely to be victims of violent crimes'

[WhisperingAutistic]

Just having a bit of a do with my 20 year old DS and he hit me with that.

Is there data that shows otherwise? My Google skills are not pulling up much.

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The figures for violence against transwomen tend to be based on figures from TW working in prostitution in South and Central America.

This is great, you should actually do this.

There was a mass murder in Philadelphia on the 4th of July. The murderer killed four men and injured two children (one a two year-old). The perpetrator was trans. Odd how that story wasn't reported by The Guardian.

This. The cover up going on over that story is dizzying. As well as the one recently in Boston where young children were found by the first responders to a death of a "woman" in a sordid house full of MTF trans people. The Mayor and the police have basically said the fire department, who first arrived on the scene and made the report, were lying.

twitter.com/firebursts/status/1674403437235118084?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

The Boston story has been memory-holed, conveniently.

"MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence."

Cecilia Dhejne, Paul Lichtenstein, Marcus Boman, Anna L. V. Johansson, Niklas Långström, Mikael Landén (2011) Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Go to
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
there are further stats

Thank you, @ironorchids. I've bookmarked that page.

There's plenty more stats in there.

Ministry of Justice stats from March/April 2019 (it was the most recent data available at the time the report mentioned was made)

Percentage of the prison population convicted of at least one sex offence (broken down by gender):

• 58.9% (76 out of 129) of trans women in prison
• 16.8% (13,234 out of 78,781) men in prison
• 3.3% (125 out of 3,812) women in prison

@Brumbrumbrumbrummie It depends on what they deem 'hate crimes'. To trans people, especially in the UK, a woman saying NO to an obviously male person with a male appendage in womens biological sex-based spaces is considered 'hate'. A woman complaining about an obviously male person with a male appendage on the British swimming team or other womens sports is classified as 'hate'.

Yet the reverse, women being violated and stripped of their rights to fair play, and rights to safety, dignity and privacy aren't classified as 'hate'. I wonder why that is? Because men run the world.

There has been a decrease in actual hate against trans people; they are protected species. They are the MOST powerful lobby there is. There has, however, been an increase in hate against women; violent hate speech ie RAPE threats and death threats, hate speech against women as a sex class, and violence against women at womens rallies (men charging at women, pushing them, removing flags and signs from them and in NZ, a 72 year old woman had her eye socket fractured when a trans activist sucker-punched her right in the eye).

Women don't go up hitting big tall men in dresses. We know we don't stand a chance against men. Women aren't the ones assaulting or threatening rape "until your uterus ruptures" or "all t*rfs should be raped until they die". It's male trans activists and trans women (males) who are, so your DARVO and gaslighting is quite insulting.

It's just that women don't report these incidents. Where as a brave man in a dress attempting to play the victim, does. If women reported these incidents, it would be as many as (as a recent Scottish survey showed) 96% (yes, ninety-six) of women have been subject to hate speech and/or assault.

I imagine (haven't checked the stats) that gay men are at higher risk of assault than straight men. If I'm right, should gay men get put in women's prisons too? Apparently child abusers get short shrift in prison too - I know, let's put them in with the women as well!

Is this the study your son was referencing @whispering-autistic? It appears the study relates to LGBTQI people not trans people alone.

phys.org/news/2020-10-sexual-gender-minorities-likelier-crime.html

"The first study of its kind found that people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer or gender non-confirming are nearly four times as likely to be victims of violent crime than those outside such communities."

Have you asked your son what proportion this changes to if you only consider trans people and exclude all the other categories?



This. I'm tired of seeing 'facts' being flung about when they're something someone just made up. If he wants to make the claim, he needs to back it up

I've found that the usual response to asking for data or links is 'do your own research.' Meaning 'actually I haven't got anything to back up my argument, I just read something that appeals to me and posted it in the hopes that people will accept it unquestioningly.'

And of course the danger with 'DYOR' is I might find something that says the opposite to what I'm supposed to find, mightn't I?

Particularly since what our search engine finds for us relates closely to what we've searched for before - the results aren't neutral and interchangeable.

This is a very good point

Thanks for bringing this up. The murderer also killed a 15 year old child who was trying to protect others. So five deaths. Also more injured.

A mass murderer and they ignore his gender identity. If he was murdered, his gender identity would be headlines.

Tell him unless he provides proof to back his statement up, and clarify who they are 4 times more likely than he’s talking bollocks

I didn't know that. How very sad for that boy and his family.

I just want to point out that even if this stat were true (which it isn't), it's completely irrelevant. The emotional blackmail routinely employed by trans activists is purely a distraction. Even if trans women were particularly vulnerable to violent crime, it wouldn't mean that humans can change sex any more than it means the sun revolves round the earth.

Men can't be women. Women shouldn't be forced to accommodate the wishes of men who believe they are women. That point stands regardless of whether some men are more vulnerable than others.

The study says that gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer or gender non-confirming people are four times more likely... not trans people.
The number of people who fall into the categories gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer or gender non conforming, but not trans, is significantly higher than the number who are trans.

This statistic could, for all he knows, be a result of lesbians alone being highly victimised and by trans women. He has zero data to the contrary. He needs to cite his data or be quiet. The data from this study doesn't back the bald claim he made, so his statement is just fantasy.

I hope he's not studying Statistics.
Sorry, flippant. It must be so frustrating.

Would you do the same if it was your son who said they thought they were your daughter? It's obviously much easier and has been accepted for aeons that girls can be 'tomboys' but the opposite is totally unaccepted in our society, which seems like discrimination to me.
I agree the depression has been due to how my relative's desire to transition was treated, as well as the genger dysphoria.

Yes I would, the reason males have been discouraged from being feminine historically is because femininity was considered a weakness. The reason I mentioned "daughter" only is because I have a daughter 😊 but I don't doubt that if I had a son who wished to express feminine personality traits/wear feminine clothes I would be fine with that. I do think he would find life in general more difficult though, and I would be scared that by doing that, others would encourage him to think it made him female.

Never mind statistics, i hope the OPs son isn't studying the sort of social sciences that lead to a career in the Prison Service!

There are enough ideological dimwits making policy at HQ who have never set foot inside a prison. I hosted a visit by a group of them recently, who were absolutely lovely people, but who genuinely had no idea about the reality of prison life, despite the fact they were developing prison policy.