'Trans 4 times as likely to be victims of violent crimes'

[WhisperingAutistic]

Just having a bit of a do with my 20 year old DS and he hit me with that.

Is there data that shows otherwise? My Google skills are not pulling up much.

Cheers

Or you can just say, I don't believe that people can change sex and rates of violence between men doesn't change that.

@LilyPark "Have trans relative. Subject to near constant abuse and has arson attacks on their house"

That's awful. Online abuse or real life? How did the police deal with the arson?

He sent me this with a message saying 'it doesn't say'.
He's got an aspergers diagnosis (when they used to call it that). He used to be so sensible with a scientific mind but this shit just rots the brain.

He's messaged back saying 'than cis people'...

I hate to say it, but sometimes you just can't argue with stupid.

Agreed

I would like to see some evidence, like the evidence that shows how many women are killed annually by their partners in the U.K.

Well even if it were true we know that being subjected to this violence isn’t translating to excess murders.

people filling in surveys is open to all sorts of distortion. Bodies can be counted. In the USA and UK trans people are less likely to be killed than average.

Plus, being subjected to violence has no bearing on whether TWAW. Unless you think that being subjected to violence is a characteristic of womanhood.

Doesn't that mean trans women and trans men rather than just real men though?

I'm pretty sure I read that report a while ago, it was, I think, from the US. iirc it was one of those things that was difficult to compare as it possibly compared a % rate so 5 attacks on a population of 20 is more significant than 12 attacks on a population of a 100.

He's obviously just googled and chose the first thing he found that suits his narrative.

Well being trans is only shit if people respond badly to you. I think they want to help other people who feel as they do not feel alone and feel able to become who they feel themselves to be. Obviously trans rights is very new but being trans is not. My relative felt very early on (aged 5) that they were the wrong sex and only discovered they were not a girl by walking into the girls toilet at primary school and being told that it was the wrong one. The parents considered it to be a mental disorder and something that must never be found out by other people. They are 60 now and have found their own way through life (just about, suffers with major depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts not surprisingly). They have lived with never being accepted or supported by their parents. If you happened to have a kid who told you they were the wrong sex at age 5 (before any exposure to any ideas about it) what would you do?

But what argument is he trying to support with that statistic, OP?

Does that statistic actually change your position on what he is arguing for?

Even if trans people are more likely to be victims of crimes than x group, how does that change their biological sex?

Obviously, it's awful that anyone is being abused, trans or otherwise, but even if that statistic is true, it doesn't mean transwomen should be allowed in women's single-sex spaces.

It seems a reputable study

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

“Researchers analyzed pooled data from the 2017 and 2018 National Crime Victimization Survey, the first comprehensive and nationally representative criminal victimization data to include information on the gender identity and sex assigned at birth of respondents. Results showed that both transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization than their cisgender counterparts, but there were no differences between transgender men and women.”

• “Transgender people (16+) are victimized over four times more often than cisgender people. In 2017-2018, transgender people experienced 86.2 victimizations per 1,000 people compared to 21.7 victimizations per 1,000 people for cisgender people.
• Transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization (86.1 and 107.5 per 1,000 people, respectively) than cisgender women and men (23.7 and 19.8 per 1,000 people, respectively).
• One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women.
• In 2017-2018, transgender households had higher rates of property victimization (214.1 per 1,000 households) than cisgender households (108 per 1,000 households).
• About half of all violent victimizations were not reported to police. Transgender people were as likely as cisgender people to report violence to police.“

Genuine question: why do you want to disprove this? Yes, I know the way the trans lobby pulls stats out of its arse is infuriating, but I also see GCs determined to assert that trans people don't suffer from prejudice, when it is v v clear that they do. Horrific prejudice. Why would we deny that?

I don't believe TWAW. I don't believe men can be mothers. I think biological sex is fixed. I have lost friends and more because of this. But I don't need to pretend that people don't get punished for identifying as trans. Of course they do.

Full study is here if people are interested.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7958056/

One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women

What is the nature of these 'victimisations'?

It all started when he messaged me to say he bumped into his old mate from school and I asked if she's still trans. He went off on one saying hardly anyone ever detransitions which I shown him was untrue.

This then led on to womens spaces and we spoke about prisons. Him trying to say that TIFs should be allowed in male jails (lol) and me showing why this is a bad idea etc.
He then came at me with that supposed stat.

Real life abuse. Shouting insults in street etc. I don't know how the attack was dealt with - it was local kids putting lit paper through letter box - fortunately did not escalate.

Because he's trying to say that TIMs should be allowed in women's prisons due to this.

Genuine question: why do you want to disprove this?

OP doesn't necessarily want to disprove it. She's asking for some figure to back up the assertion her DS made so she can look at them and decide for herself instead of or before taking what he says as gospel.

Him trying to say that TIFs should be allowed in male jails (lol)

Ask him why he is so unconcerned about women's safety.

I wish that this particular study had done a comparison between transgender identified people and people who are gay/lesbian/bisexual, rather than just between trans people and other people. Plus, they also state that the transgender population was more likely to live in urban areas and to be poor, but there doesn't seem to have been any attempt to mitigate these confounding factors.

The number of transgender identified people in the survey was also very small (420) compared to the number of other people (435,061). 0.1% of the total numbers interviewed.