'Trans 4 times as likely to be victims of violent crimes'

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Just having a bit of a do with my 20 year old DS and he hit me with that.

Is there data that shows otherwise? My Google skills are not pulling up much.

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Hear hear

Definitely. How many times have we been groped in public? I wouldn’t count that as a crime against myself even though it technically is. What would the point be? No one would give a shit.

According to the UK census trans women were less likely than anyone else to be victims of murder. That’s not all violent crime but it is something quantifiable. They are also 5 times as likely as non-trans men to be imprisoned for sex crimes.

Recently had cause to visit the local gay bar who advertised their pride event as being about queer and kink. As lesbians we wanted to counter this by standing outside with a large sign saying things like hight heels and make up won’t make you a woman, lesbians don’t have penises, get the L out. We were told to move as people said they felt unsafe…if this is the sort of thing they are talking about maybe the figures stack up up, but there was no way that two old dykes were going to be a risk to anyone.

Well if that is true, I for one will demand that they be treated better, but putting them in opposite sex spaces is not the obvious solution

I think this is ‘Old school trans’ - what trans people used to be , before a whole bunch of predatory men and a third of susceptible teenagers decided they were trans too (as well as young children with what must be deeply unhappy parents to tell their child they are the wrong sex) Old school trans people are not helped by this new approach - they originally were by all the let everyone be themselves message of pride and progressive society generally, which was great. But now poor people like your relative are associated with the bollocks these groups pour out, and it’s harming of women, children, and young people.

But that’s the whole point.
Genuine trans people will find it out for themselves. Children being asked which gender they want to be means that those who aren’t dysphoric may well end up on the transition pathway.

THIS. If you are genuinely trans, you just know. Children don't need to be questioned about it for goodness sake, and pushed to say what their pronouns are, and having suggestions put in their heads, "well, you dress like a tomboy, that might mean your trans" etc.

How were people reporting in the census whether or not they had been victims of murder?

Surely this would be from police crime stats?

I know of a university that teaches undergraduates that (among other things) there are three sexes (male, female and intersex - not my term; theirs) and that they should be critiquing what sex is but it's fine to accept gender as an indisputable fact.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/
The book I am reading made reference to this information. The discussion of murder rates is toward the bottom of the page.

Exactly.

I abhor anyone of any race or sex or religion being subjected to violence.

But if transgender women are subjected to male violence, then that is an issue for men to solve.

You don’t solve it by putting women in danger or by women having their rights to safe spaces infringed.

I can well believe that trans people face abuse. I don't believe it means women should give up single sex spaces. Given that around 90% of crime is, I understand, committed to men, why are women and girls expected to put their own safety and privacy at risk to fix it?

Suboptimumumma beat me to it but yes, what she said.

I've got a 5 year old boy that sometimes says he's a girl. All I do is tell him that he's a boy, will always be a boy even if he pretends to be a girl by wearing a dress and it's fine to be a boy that likes to wear pink and have long hair.
He's very struck on the idea that boys can only do and wear X and girls can only do and wear Y. This has not come from me or my family as none of us are typically masculine/feminine in hobbies and clothes etc. I hope it's not coming from school but as I'm in Wales and the whole curriculum has been tainted by gender issues, who knows?

Ah, that study was doing the rounds a few weeks ago. It's rubbish.

Thanks for clarifying lh1d1ng1npla1ns1ght.

So Sex Matters was referring to a comparison of the census data, where an unexpectedly high proportion of people self-identified as trans, to the Home Office Homicide Index (analysed by the ONS), which is where you end up if you follow the links through to the source (via another article).

Just to be clear (because it sounds a bit mad to say murder stats came from the census!), the murder stats are from separately recorded crime stats.

Obviously, I see what point you're making - that this huge abundance of trans people in the census (for whatever reason, including misunderstanding the gender question) means that taken as a percentage of the trans population, murders (as recorded by the Home Office) are far lower among the trans population than among other populations.

Personally, going forward, I would clarify that your data is coming from the census data and home office/ONS/crime stats data (whatever you want to call it - people will know what you mean) so that people don't think you're saying that people self-reported in the census that they had been murdered!

The data is based on prostitutes, where there are alot of trans, who are more at risk of violence

They're going to try to have it both ways aren't they. When comparing to the number of convicted sex offenders, or to representation, the number of trans people in the census is massively understated, TW are just putting themselves down as women and not answering the gender question; but when looking at victimhood stats it's overstated and we are suddenly right about people misunderstanding the questions after all.

I think it comes from other kids at school. My now 7 year old used to love Moana and Frozen and loved glittery things. After starting year one he now says they are girls things.

Something similar is noticeable in the mainstream media reporting of crimes involving TW depending on whether they are victim or perpetrator

TW perpetrator is reported as 'woman'
TW victim is reported as 'TW'

which all goes towards the narratives that TW are the most at risk and that women are just as likely to be violent and / or sex offenders as men

There was a mass murder in Philadelphia on the 4th of July. The murderer killed four men and injured two children (one a two year-old). The perpetrator was trans. Odd how that story wasn't reported by The Guardian.

Another thing that none of these statistics analyse is the wealth / poverty / class divide. Poor people suffer more violence, often from other poor people, than rich people do. It's why trans sex workers in Brazil and in India are extra vulnerable. It's why black men / transwomen in the USA are vulnerable (most of that violence is either domestic or drug related, same as for non-trans victims). It's why in the UK there's very little anti trans violence because the trans movement is fairly middle class.

Genderism isn't just a way of not thinking about women's rights or gay rights, it's also a great way of ignoring the way society is skewed against the poor. Again.

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"That's nice dear."

"Now respect the woman that gave birth to you, learn to use statistics properly or I'll pull your uni funding cos clearly you aren't getting a quality education there"

"See you next week when I pick you up for Summer. I hope you are fully aware I won't be doing your washing, doing your shopping or cooking your dinner whilst you are home because I am now being my true authentic self and don't believe in gendered roles and doing these tasks is 'triggering'"