Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

The day the word cis is counted as an actual slur I can stop using it. It's useful semantics to distinguish Trans from Cis otherwise it gets confusing.

You can stop using it any time you want. How is it confusing? There are women. And there are transwomen.

However, there is a difference. ‘Cis’ is a word that has been appropriated from another completely unrelated purpose and has been attempted to forcibly be applied by extreme trans activists to define women.

It is not symmetrical with a misapplied word using the correct definition.

Why would anyone (general anyone ) accept and use an essentially made up term that is being forcibly applied?

Poor poor boy.

Kind of. A Trans women will never have the experiences of childbirth or the positive and negative experiences of growing up as a woman from birth, will skip the pretty shit periods but from what i've heard at least hormone therapy can change a lot not just in terms of the way someone thinks but also physical characteristics etc... and if we allow Transgender women to share these experiences with us free of prejudice then suddenly things become a lot more similar.

Males who have undergone cross-sex hormone therapy will be just that - still male, but with artificially altered bodies. Their life experience will have very little in common with that of someone born female. There is no judgment in that, it will just be different. Same goes for women who transition. "Passing" is extremely rare. A transgender woman won't really share that many experiences in common with natal women, for starters because most people will recognise them as transwomen, not women. No doubt they have challenges in life, but the challenges are because they are trans, not because they are women.

Ah, you'll be saying next that the women you know, maybe even men, don't really have any issue with trans activist demands, and the checklist of concerns that seriously perturb women on this board, and all the women I know, women at large.

So, your female friends regularly use the prefix cis...about themselves, you, the other women they know, women in general?

Good to know you're all so relaxed and progressive. However that's not the majority stance here, in greater society, indeed I believe it's very outlier.

I don't know a single woman, incl those close to me who are way less mouthy than me on this issue, who are happy or prepared to be prefixed in this way.

Like all aspects of trans propaganda, it all starts with the language. Twist concepts, make up down etc, and play on the "it's just being polite, don't you believe in being polite?" tactic, and before you know it, you're the bad person for not recategorising yourself.

So, no cis, thanks. No pronouns, thanks. No pretending breast feeding is for any other individual than a female, mother.

If we're gonna get any traction in this slide of rights and maintaining of boundaries and definitions and identities, it has to start with language.

Cis female. No thanks.

"If you're a true feminist though periods and childbirth are not what makes us women. In-fact modern feminism was built on the idea that what makes us a woman is determined by ourselves"

What is this nonsense? What makes someone a woman is being born a female child and growing up to be an adult. A feminist would say that should not restrict your life, be used to discriminate against you, force you to behave in certain ways, dress in certain ways and so on.

Good for you! All the women I know find it offensive. Does that even things out?

@evieowlette
This shouldn't need to be said on a feminist board but.... It's NOT child pornography - it's child sexual abuse material / images.

And that's a deeply offensive comment to make that "it's not like sexual offences or rape" All the children involved will have had sexual offences committed against them, including rape and even murder for some of them. Nobody should be minimising the abuse of children in this way.

Maybe it's time to stop flailing around commenting on this tread and go off and educate yourself about the grim reality of abuse of children.

I count cis as an actual slur, please don't use it. It's offensive.

I disagree with that. That's a little muddled. A woman is an adult human female - which is a biological category. Women, though, can be and express whatever they like or have aptitude for. That is what makes us fully human.

Good for you! All the women I know find it offensive. Does that even things out?

Same here Helle so that more than evens things out.

In-fact modern feminism was built on the idea that what makes us a woman is determined by ourselves

Was it really? Do you have any evidence at all for this woolly nonsense?

Honestly 2 Trans women in such a small area is already very unlikely.

Really? This is just clutching at straws. One day last week, I saw two TW in the space of about 30 minutes in my small neighbourhood.

At any rate, as the two perpetrators mentioned in the article were together, they were clearly acquaintances. One had a Merseyside accent so isn’t native to Burgess Hill. Perhaps they had come down there for a holiday with their friend.

(But at any rate, I’m certain there are more than two TW living in B Hill. I know the town and it isn’t small).

@NotHavingIt It upsets this group in particular, nobody else. Well unless you count Elon Musk.

I am not a sub category. These crimes are not ours.

Was going to say the same. I’m 5’ 9 which isn’t exceptional but anything over
6’2 is very unusual for a woman. Not abnormal, but very rare. Probably about as rare as a female on male random stranger attack.

That poor boy, I hope he’s ok.

There are no other women other than women, a reasoned view, then there are no cis women.
Tall women, short ones. Clever ones, not so clever. Those into cake, those at least into gluten free carrot cake (I couldnt bring myself to say anti-cake women).

Y'know, women. Just not cis women and another sort. All into cake.

Cis can go find a happy home on Trans Reddit and Owen Jones and Jolyon Maugham's tedious Twitter rants.

Yes. Read Kathleen Scotts book for some added insight into our past

Stock. God they need to figure out how to add editing posts

You most definitely would. I am just under 5'10" and my DS1 is 6'2". No-one on this planet would think I am 6'3", in fact anyone with eyes wouldn't even think I'm anywhere near 6ft. My 15 yo DS2 is 6ft tall and the height difference even between us is obvious.

I think I have only ever used it with regards to me though, as I rarely find myself having to distinguish at any point.

And I use pronouns regularly, so not really sure why you want to do away with pronouns. Confused by that one.

And yes the women I surround myself tend to fairly chill. Successful and amazing, but fairly chill.

This is hilarious!

Seriously laughing here. Periods and childbirth mean those people are FEMALE.

And ‘modern feminism’ can’t ‘determine’ away female bodies even with chemicals and surgeries so feminism is for all female people. Never for males who use faulty philosophy such as using ‘constellations of data points’ to determine whether someone is female or a woman. We had that last week on this board and it was as ridiculous then as women self-determining if they qualify as female or not.

Thank you for writing this much better than I could. Using the word pornography in that context and the minimising of viewing these images is awful.