Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

90% of TW still have a penis because they want to keep their genitals!

I hate it when people flounce and then don't actually leave. It reminds me of having visitors who say "right, must be off" then two hours later they're still sitting there. It makes me twitchy.

Yes - it was about three pages ago that the proponent of "brick sh!thouses" said they were off.

To be transgender or non binary you do not need to suffer gender dysphoria.

If you say you are trans you are trans. No gatekeeping of any sort.

To not accept those 2 facts makes you transphobic @evieowlette

Life isn't always nice.

Would be nice if people didn't call me a man though

Would be nice if people didn't call me cis, but there you have it.

You obviously don't like us but what about Any Kasparian.

She also believed the claim that puberty blockers where reversible but found out this wasn't true.

She's not a mumsnetter. Not a terf islander

Maybe you will listen to her? About 22 minutes in.

Recent interview. How her politics changed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/z8TD2jNPLK4

How dare you say I dismissed child sexual abuse. Sexual abuse should never be dismissed and I wish the slime balls that commit such acts can burn in hell for eternity for all I care. I proposed why I think sexual offenders should be kept on a tighter leash after release from prison how is that pandering to the idea of child sexual abuse.

What you are doing is trying to pre-empt how a child was assaulted with in-complete evidence which in many ways is worse. If this story gets shared further afield you are doing nothing but drawing more attention to something that I imagine was only reluctantly released in the first place to try and find the assailants.

@evieowlette Think about what you said in a post a few pages back: ‘It's like trying to describe depression to someone who has never had it. It's impossible.’

Now try and extrapolate that to the children you say should have puberty blockers which go to to cross sex hormones. Think of all the experiences they haven’t had yet and then see why it is impossible for them to understand what they are losing. Add to that that the chemicals they are taking are not harmless. And the great hordes of children who don’t want their bodies to change at puberty but then by sixth form are happy with their sex.

Because of boards like this, mums have been able to share their experiences of this recent phenomenon. And common themes come through so we can now describe to other worried mums how it usually plays out. For every bit of ‘pro-ideology research’ there are many more scientific ones that look at the reality of what’s going on. Humans can’t change sex. It’s cruel to pretend otherwise.

It feels like constant Deja vu at the moment. I've got you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby going in my head at this point. God knows why but it's good to share!

"Possessing child pornography is not at all limited to men. It's horrendous and the verdict is laughable but it's not like sexual offences or rape. "

This is dismissing and minimising sexual abuse of children. Children in those images are being abused, raped and sometimes murdered.

Women on here know this and don't take kindly to those who dismiss & minimise child abuse

something that I imagine was only reluctantly released in the first place to try and find the assailants.

They aren't going to find the assailants if they are looking for the wrong SEX.

That doesnt say you are a man it says you are a men's rights activists. I.e. you centre men's needs and wants above those of women. You can be a woman and a men's rights activist.

If this story gets shared further afield you are doing nothing but drawing more attention to something that I imagine was only reluctantly released in the first place to try and find the assailants.

This story is all over local and national news. As it should be because the police need to find these assailants.

Of course it would greatly help the general public if they could actually trust the information being made public in order to identify the perpetrators.

Since when was tooth loss and spinal injury ‘reversible’?

Ok now think about all the experiences they will miss out on from not going on puberty blockers and the irreversible harm that will come from the wrong puberty.

I'm not a mum myself. I hope I can be one day but I know from all the Trans people I know at university one was dumped at there graduation for wearing a suit and left homeless to go on a go fund me campaign. One currently lives in Japan after moving out because her Mum was so toxic they had to get away. They control her finances and she is considering killing herself this month. I've been trying to convince her not to.
Another trans girl I know personally as a friend online has been physically attacked by her dad and constantly gets demands from her mum to live with her rent free.
The last trans person I know who is non-binary and I studied with in Electronics, they are a christian and tries to get along with there mum but she refused to speak because of her religion.

In what world is any of this fair

Evie why don't you report the posts in which you mention personal information and get those removed? There is no need for it and it's never a good idea to share such things.

If you're finding women wanting equality and freedom of belief to be terrifying then no, you're not a feminist.

This current thing of people picking labels and identities they generally like the sound and feel of but without holding any of the associated beliefs or doing any of the associated actions is a bit daft really. Even more so when the holder then tries to get those who do hold those beliefs or do those actions to conform to their personal comfort around their chosen identity label. It's like trying to get vegans to believe that not only are you a vegan while eating meat, but that meat eating veganism is new, modern, progressive, inclusive and much better, and that anyone not a meat eating vegan is wrong.

It's another bit of the identity politics movement that's a bit lacking in capacity to respect others and find answers that work for all instead of self.

This sounds like a soap opera at this point but this is the world we live in right now. This is the world you can create and I really thought I might finally find a place I could call home but all the feminist boards in the UK seem to be the same

Did I miss your explanation then about this:

”Possessing child pornography is not at all limited to men. It's horrendous and the verdict is laughable but it's not like sexual offences or rape.”

For a start NO CHILD does ‘pornography’. Do you understand? It is CHILD SEX ABUSE.

You stated ‘but it is not like sexual offences or rape’? Really? Did you explain how you were sure none of what that criminal viewed involved a child being raped?

And do you understand that impact that child sex abuse material being shared causes a child harm every single time that material is viewed.

If you explained your statement, please tell me where and I will go and have a look. Because what you have written is dismissive of child sex abuse to me and to many feminists.

evieowlette · Today 15:32

Possessing child pornography is not at all limited to men. It's horrendous and the verdict is laughable but it's not like sexual offences or rape. When I was younger our youth theatre company nearly got shut down because there was ring of child pornography being shared between the set builders, including 1 women set builder and one man

That sure as hell looks like dismissing child's sexual abuse to me.

Ok now think about all the experiences they will miss out on from not going on puberty blockers and the irreversible harm that will come from the wrong puberty.

Oh dear. You are very indoctrinated.

irreversible harm that will come from the wrong puberty

There is no such thing as wrong puberty. Puberty is a necessary and natural process. Yes, it’s a tough time for a great many, and can be made easier with the right support but it is never wrong. (In the same vein, menopause isn’t a barrel of laughs either, but it’s something all women must go through. We don’t try to prevent it happening).

What, that in they want to think about and support the rights of women rather than provide nurture and care for trans people?

Go and take a look on the relationships board and other boards here, sweetie. You'll find women providing lots of urgent support to women here who are in dire straits, escaping abusive partners, trying to get to refuges, managing injuries inflicted by abuse or assault and trying to find the courage to seek help, women who are homeless, women who are homeless with children, women fighting substance abuse and mental illnesses, women who come here to talk because they are suicidal. There's a whole site here of women helping women, and that includes the board of parents supporting each other to support LGBT+ children.

The focus though is women. Not women selflessly serving others, because women are human and have needs and rights and problems too. That does not mean they don't care, just that they do not have to be everyone's mummy 24/7. That's kind of the cornerstone of feminism.

Cripes. I can't believe someone wrote that and thinks we need a lecture on ANYTHING.

Possessing child pornography is not at all limited to men. It's horrendous and the verdict is laughable but it's not like sexual offences or rape. When I was younger our youth theatre company nearly got shut down because there was ring of child pornography being shared between the set builders, including 1 women set builder and one man*

If you want a list of Cisgender female sexual assault offences you can have them to be honest i'm sick of trying to make any kind of sense.

- Georgia Bilham (Sexual Assault)

• Rachel Geraghty (Sexual Assault, Paedophilia)
• Sarah Bennett (50, Sexual Abuse)
• Kirstyann Kavanagh (23, Sexual truth or dare, Children)
• Sonia Chivers (29, Performing sex acts next to child and recording)
• Irene Torrie (42, Groping & Exposure)
• Beverley Dean (54, Indecent exposure)
• Ellee Nicoll (26, Groomed child into sex acts)
• Jodie Tucker (27, Molested in public)
• Louise Smith (43, Sex acts, child)
• Laura Stephenson (29, Sex with a schoolboy)
• Carol White (40, Molested kids)
• Rebecca Williams (22, Molested child)
• Shanon Anderson (25, Grooming, child)
• Hannah Harris (24, Sexual Activity child)
• Carole Taylor (36, Grooming, child)
• Vicki Bevan (38, Rape, Child)
• Carly Dear (47, Sexual Abuse)
• Serena Marie Emily Ransom (28, Sexual Abuse, Child)
• Jaqueline Milne (34, Sex, Minor)

It's too much to check individually but this is just from looking today. I also counted other cases for Trans Women and men because i'm an idiot and clearly I should have spent today doing something better.

• Lexi-Rose Crawford (24, Rape, Previous conviction as a man, changed gender in prison) - Bristol
• Jane Beck (53, Sexual Assault, Previous assault as a man) - Glasgow
• Sally Dixon (58, indecent assault and Indecency, Previous assault as a man) - Sussex
• Britnee Aitken (48, Molested, Previous conviction as a man) - Manchester
• Colin Norfolk (68, Indecent exposure) - Sheffield
• Claire Goodier (61, Assault as a man, Crossdressing) - Cheshire
• Andrew Miller (53, Previous assault as a man) - Melrose
• Marcia Walker (45, Previous assault as a man) - Oxford
• Karen White (56, Previous assault as a man) - Yorkshire

‘It's like trying to describe depression to someone who has never had it. It's impossible.’
But at the same time you believe a man can be a woman so you can't know what depression feels like without experiencing it but you can know how it 'feels' to be the opposite sex.

Yes. Feminists are full of feminists who recognise that while you fully believe all you say, you have been wrong on so many things.

However, entering into a board and ‘educating’ feminists was your aim. I don’t believe you wanted discussion or you would have actually taken the time to read the board first.