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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Male and Gender Critical

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 20:32

Anyone else find being associated with some of the male Gender Critical activists a bit…well embarrassing? I’m not even going to deal with the dumpster fire that is Glinner (though it seems many on this board love him). But now we have James Esses who is hyper focused on what this woman is wearing. What difference does it make if she wears revealing clothes or not? Typical gross male attitude.

Male and Gender Critical
Male and Gender Critical
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GarlicGrace · 06/07/2023 15:55

*people who thinks asexuals should just stay silent and never talk about themselves (or at least this part of them) and sit there silently, when others get to talk about themselves just fine.

Hopefully one day asexuality will be more known and accepted and I can be honest with the people I care about.*

If everybody's talking about their sex lives - unusual unless you're young - and you don't have one, the only honest contribution you can make is that you aren't interested in sex, @YouAreNotBatman. There's absolutely no reason why you can't say so, is there? Sure, it leaves you out of that conversation, just as I'm excluded from enthusiastic discussions of cycling or football.

Why do you think you can't be honest with the people you care about? I'm 'asexual' these days - haven't had sex in 15 years and can't be bothered any more. I wasn't always this way but have no qualms about telling people, and fail to see why you shouldn't.

If you'd like to be coupled up without sex, there's no reason why you shouldn't say so, is there? Sex is usually the glue in long-term relationships, but there are certainly a lot of non-sexual pairings for a multitude of reasons. You're more likely to meet potential partners if you know what you're looking for, and say so.

GarlicGrace · 06/07/2023 15:58

In other news, the alphabet people should come up with a label for my "too broke & knackered to date, too selfish to cohabit, medication killed my libido" identitee 😏

Letmespeak82 · 06/07/2023 17:40

thedankness · 05/07/2023 18:15

@Letmespeak82 Why did you wear revealing clothes to a club? If you checked your outfit in the mirror before you went out then you at least cared a little about how you looked which means you cared how others looked at you. Of course this doesn’t mean you wanted sex/sexual attention from others although for some women that might genuinely be their intention for dressing in a certain way. But I’m assuming that you didn’t feel you looked worse for wearing a revealing outfit?

Of course I care what people think about my appearance etc. But more in a “oh she looks good” rather than “I’m sure she shags anything with a pulse so I’ll try my luck” kind of way. One is people’s opinions on a visual image they are seeing - acceptable. The other is people’s opinion on my inner thoughts that they can’t see - unacceptable.

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Letmespeak82 · 06/07/2023 17:46

NotHavingIt · 05/07/2023 18:55

The point is that it doesn't really matter what you intend or don't intend, or if you have no intention at all ( which I doubt very much) when it coes to selecting what to wear; the point is that you cannot control the reception.

It is extremely naive to imagine that people don't make judgements about others based on any number of factors; clothing and presentation being one of them But you know that anyway.

I've no idea what individual women intend? How would I know?

I think many people, especially of more youthful/reproductive ages are interested in appearing as attractive as possible - wanting to attract positive attention; have people say nice or flattering things about their clothes, or their figure. They tend to know what flatters them and wear clothes which highlight their best bits, and so on.

It’s a little bizarre to make the claim that “it doesn’t really matter what you intend” just because you can’t control the reception.

of course what the individual intends matters to this debate. Because when other people assume stuff about you based on it (the reception you talk about” they are either correct or incorrect.

let’s take the example of a rape case. Let’s also assume that enough people on the jury make assumptions about what a woman wears to influence the outcome of the case.

would you really make the argument that what the woman actually intended by wearing the clothes is irrelevant?

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Letmespeak82 · 06/07/2023 17:54

MsRosley · 06/07/2023 14:21

This. If you follow OP's logic, clothes don't convey meaning in any way. In which case it would be absolutely fine to turn up to an important client meeting in your pyjamas, as it would in no way signal you're not committed to winning that new contract.

It’s not my logic at all. I’ve said all along people make assumptions about clothes. So of course if you are trying to impress a client showing up in clothes that may cause them to make assumptions about you would be pretty dumb.

the point I’m actually making is that the particular association people make between wearing revealing clothing and being “up for it” is wrong and misogynistic.

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NotHavingIt · 06/07/2023 19:50

Letmespeak82 · 06/07/2023 17:46

It’s a little bizarre to make the claim that “it doesn’t really matter what you intend” just because you can’t control the reception.

of course what the individual intends matters to this debate. Because when other people assume stuff about you based on it (the reception you talk about” they are either correct or incorrect.

let’s take the example of a rape case. Let’s also assume that enough people on the jury make assumptions about what a woman wears to influence the outcome of the case.

would you really make the argument that what the woman actually intended by wearing the clothes is irrelevant?

Forget nuance and the subtleties of life. Blank everything anyone says which veers off the desired response. Be a one trick pony.

NotHavingIt · 06/07/2023 19:51

Letmespeak82 · 06/07/2023 17:54

It’s not my logic at all. I’ve said all along people make assumptions about clothes. So of course if you are trying to impress a client showing up in clothes that may cause them to make assumptions about you would be pretty dumb.

the point I’m actually making is that the particular association people make between wearing revealing clothing and being “up for it” is wrong and misogynistic.

Nobody but you has suggested that, though. It is like you are on endless repeat.

BezMills · 06/07/2023 19:59

Dumb thread is dumb. It checks out

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 07/07/2023 09:15

NotHavingIt · 06/07/2023 19:51

Nobody but you has suggested that, though. It is like you are on endless repeat.

I hope it's just that you just haven't bothered to read the thread properly, and aren't trying a poor attempt at gaslighting.

Florissante · 07/07/2023 09:21

BezMills · 06/07/2023 19:59

Dumb thread is dumb. It checks out

Dumb post is dumb. It checks out.

NotHavingIt · 07/07/2023 10:01

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 07/07/2023 09:15

I hope it's just that you just haven't bothered to read the thread properly, and aren't trying a poor attempt at gaslighting.

Yes, I've read the thread.....and she is like a broken record.

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