Male and Gender Critical

[Letmespeak82]

Anyone else find being associated with some of the male Gender Critical activists a bit…well embarrassing? I’m not even going to deal with the dumpster fire that is Glinner (though it seems many on this board love him). But now we have James Esses who is hyper focused on what this woman is wearing. What difference does it make if she wears revealing clothes or not? Typical gross male attitude.

'Asexual' is just a recently made up label in the crazy world of identity politics - a badge; not an actual identity, unless you choose to make it one and base your whole self around the idea of wanting/liking or not wanting/liking sex.

Identity is not set in stone. An identity evolves and changes throughout one's life in response to time and circumstance. Some things we cannot change - like our sex, our parents and family of origin, our native birth place - but everything else is fairly fluid.

I think you must be american ( just woken up, perhaps?) because some of those references and terms are very unfamiliar. Plus on this forum nobody talks endlessly about their partner or children, nor do they talk about their sex life unless it has some relevence to the discussion.

Then you should be supportive of asexuals.
How so? Given that having sex whilst not enjoying it, rather than not having sex at all, seems to be what asexuals are now expected to do?

Actually it’s just a word to a thing that describes phenomenon.
I doubt that any asexual talks only about being asexual, once again - it’s a thing they happen to be, and they are allowed to talk anout it/themselves. Doesn’t mean it’s an identity or all of their personality.

Unless you think being straight is all that a straight person is/can be.
Is being a mother ’a identity politics - a badge; not an actual identity’?

Oh, and no, I’m not from or in america.
But those terms are pretty common. Also, not sure why even mention it. I assume it was to make sure you nitpick every single thing 😉

I do not know anything about that.
Asexuals don’t feel sexual attraction nor do they have sex.
Anyone saying anything else is a groomer/abuser/troll/idiot/absolutely not an asexual.

Why bother with a label then? Why do you need to identify as something.
We all experienece times when we are not interested in sex, or when we are more interested in sex......it does not make us an 'asexual'. It makes us human.

You seem to have a very particular idea of who posts on this forum, based on your examples - which seems to revolve around some pretty stereotypical expectations of women.

Personally I don't see having children or being a woman as identity markers.
Identity is more bound up with what holds the core self together in the centre as an integrated stable personality. Values, self image, lived experience, and so on.

Being a woman or a mother is a fact of one's existence. I don't identify as a woman, I just am. A woman is an adult human female - it says nothing necessarily about her identity or character.

Of course the sorts of experience which are unique to females/women may well contributre to a sesne of self, of lived experience and hence identity - but not 'being a woman' in itself. Women have different identities - all they have in common is their sex.

Not on this forum they are not - because we don't tend to talk about sexual acts or practices in that way. We tend to discuss things in a more detached, analytical way. Not just 'sex chat'. That would be for a different board to this one. Maybe the self identified asexuals should gather there?

Really?

Again, not a label, just a word to a thing.
Like you need a word for a fridge so everyone knows what’s up.
It’s very simple. Should be at least.

So that you can find out what you are, little part of you, not a whole personality.
Not feeling sexual attraction/not wanting sex is a weird, lonely place to be.
Many asexuals have said they were happy to found out they aren’t broken or weong or ill or needed to fix themselves.
I understand you cant imagine what that’s like, but it helps people, so why not?
Literally doesn not hurt non-asexuals, but means so much for those who are.

Exactly like asexuality!
This is it exactly.

Women's clothes and shoes have always been designed to accentuate secondary sexual characteristics; and are often uncomfortable and restrictive too.

Actually as far as "uncomfortable and restrictive" clothing goes, this is the time of year when women have a distinct advantage over men.

We tend to discuss things in a more detached, analytical way.

Can’t say I’ve really seen this.

Lots of people don't have sex for a vareity of reasons. Perhaps because you associate with a community which is so focused on sex your lack of sex is more of an issue than it need be?

What might that be?

How do you know you will never feel sexual desire, ever? You cannot possibly know that. Desire and attraction comes and goes. Perhaps you just are not that interested in having sex; that's perfectly normal. It is not a condition, as such.

What?
What community?

There's a bit of a difference between saying spoken sounds have no inherent meaning and clothes have no inherent meaning.

One is the primary way we communicate and one, well, isn't. One can convey fantastically complex ideas and one.....doesn't.

So no I don't think it's a 14 year.old view to challenge that clothes have meaning.

How do you know how society views clothes? Have you interviewed everyone? Yes.im being sarky here but come on. You're unwilling to engage on what individual women might intend when they wear clothes without a formal interview but are happy to make sweeping statements about society's views. I find that contradictory.

It’s a sexual orientation, kind of a lack there of, but none the less.

Maybe lesbians are only lesbians now, who knows?
Maybe hetero women is a lesbian tomorrow?

That’s a very lame ’gotcha’.

But living years and decades and not feeling it, I’m glad there was finally a word for it.
This isin’t about being single for whole two weeks.

Again, it means nothing to you, means a lot for someone like me.
That’s all I care about. And so called feminist being so againts it is beyond weird.

You are out of the loop, the narrative now is that many asexuals do have sex, because they want to, it's just somehow not sexual for them.

Hi OP - now you are back, can you let me know the answer to this question above?

I want you to answer the question put to you which you steadfastly avoid. I'm well aware I can't force you but I still think when someone tries to shift the conversation away from answering a Q I should highlight this. Can you explain why you think answering whether or not a woman can dress in revealing clothes and have no sexual reason for doing so would lead to a "gotcha" moment?

Well that is fucking revolting.

And that is not what asexuality is.

They have sex
They want to have sex
But it isn't sexual.

Make it make sense