Petitioning Parliament to ban males from attempting to breastfeed infants

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I am considering starting a petition on the https://petition.parliament.uk to ask the government to make a criminal offence for any male attempting to breastfeed an infant from his own nipples.

I've never started a petition before and am wondering if anyone has any tips on how to write this so it doesn't get rejected and encourages people to sign? Would love to hear any advice anyone here can offer!

I'm also concerned about my personal info being revealed on the petition website, does anyone know if there's a way of withholding identity when the petition gets published?

It’s like pro-surrogacy isn’t it? Advocates don’t see babies as actual people.

So if trans woman breast milk WAS proven safe and to have adequate nutrients for feeding a baby, you still wouldn't be okay with them breastfeeding?

What is the point in men chemically inducing lactation? It’s pointless.

I would sign a petition looking to get this recognised as child abuse.

I would also support the scientific approach to if the milk produced is safe and as nutritious as breast- if formula is better we don't need it.

I don't think we need to argue over either or but we should do both. This is child protection we can't do too much.

At no point in either approach should this be about trans people. I think 'cis' men latching a baby to their nipple is child abuse too

Taking a turn at feeding.

Human’s don’t ‘take turns’ breastfeeding.

Babies have very special relationships with their mothers. That relationship is not there for the taking for anyone else.

If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bus.

The whole think about whether men could feasibly produce safe or nutritious milk is completely irrelevant.

There’s no good reason for a man to do it.

*thing not think

And there are a lot of bad reasons for a man to do it.

About as useful as taking a turn at being pregnant

Maybe with doing the bottles if no bf, but lactation forget about it man

It wouldn’t surprise me if these men would want to evolve the technology to have an egg for humans to remove the embryo from the woman into, so men could ‘take turns’ incubating, ie- unnaturally, needlessly and selfishly interrupt a natural process for mammals between mother and child, so he could ‘experience’ whatever a woman experiences.

When men have obsessions and fixations, they won’t stop until they’re stopped.

But this IS perverted in the true sense of the word. It's an attempt to move us away from what's normal and natural.

Thank you everyone for your comments and sorry for not updating the thread earlier! I really appreciate your input, I'm going to carefully read through all your replies now and have a think about it.

I would sign a petition to ask the NHS to refrain from suggesting that male lactation would be suitable for infant nutrition.

But I wouldn’t sign a petition to suggest that there mere act of suckling on a male is child abuse by that male, and here is why:

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2005/jun/15/childrensservices.familyandrelationships

@Shakenbutbarelystirred that’s a red herring. For a start, we don’t have any hunter-gatherer tribes in the UK. Secondly, the Aka haven’t historically had access to baby bottles, sterilising kits, formula milk, dummies or breast pumps.

There is simply no need whatsoever for a man in the UK to try to breastfeed babies. If they attempt to do so, they are doing it for the wrong reasons.

I would go further than saying men only attempting to suckle babies is abuse, also trying to get children to call them ‘mother, mum, auntie’, etc - basically using children to play a role in their fetish identity or sexual delusions, in any way whatsoever, is abuse.

The argument that another culture does it could also be used to justify FGM or executing gay people, though.

I don’t think anyone could argue that the death penalty is harmless to the person being executed. But I do think that a baby, breastfed by the mother, who uses the nipples of a loving father to soothe instead of a dummy, is not being harmed in any way.

I am not disputing that in different circumstances it could be child abuse. I am disputing that it always is.

How about in the UK, which is what we are talking about. Is there any reason a man would get a baby to suck his nipple in the UK?

If it can be done in another location in a harmless situation, it doesn’t become harmful just because the location changes.

I know where you all are coming from. I share your concerns. If it is done to attempt to give nutritional benefit I think it is wrong. But I do not think the actual act, in all circumstances, should be made illegal.

What circumstances in the UK do you think would be acceptable?

Well, for example, 2 parents getting through the night with a newborn, who has been fed by mum and handed to dad so mum can get some sleep. Baby finds nipple and latches on. Dad is grateful baby isn’t crying. I would honestly see no problem with that.

It would obviously happen much much less in the UK as the temperature means we spend more time with more clothes on. But skin to skin is good for babies, and if the mum needs sleep then I don’t see the problem with a loving dad doing it.

The location is not the key thing here. It is the purpose. The Aka do it because the baby wants to suckle and it’s mother isn’t there, they don’t have dummies, bottles, formula, etc - so they are doing it for a practical reason (they used to also not wear clothes, so it seems a straightforward thing that could happen naturally).

Since we do have bottles, formula, etc, in the UK, there is no practical purpose for men to do it in this country. (The only purpose in this country is because a man has a psycho-sexual disorder which he wants to abusively act out on people who are too innocent and helpless to object - babies).

So the same act can be harmful and abusive or helpful, depending on the purpose.

The location is irrelevant.

For example, an adult whacking a child hard in the middle of its back would be harmful and abusive if the purpose was to vent that adult’s anger, however, if that child was chocking, that whack could save its life.

I agree about purpose. I think I have given an example of an altruistic purpose above that could happen in the UK.