‘Bonus hole’

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So I can’t believe this is real but it seems to be.
What do we make of Jo’s cervical trust a cancer charity who has an LGBT inclusive language page on their website suggesting another word for a vagina is a bonus
hole!!

Absolutely awful.

I really question the fact that any transman would say bonus hole - women just don't talk about their bodies in this way. This is a term that has reeks of male entitlement, and coined by a man.

But that's by the by anyway, bonus hole isn's a term that any charity or healthcare professional should be using full stop - clear and precise language needs to be used.

Having a list of "offensive and/or ridiculous terms you might hear patients use" is one thing, but it's very selective.

Giving a strong impression that these are the approved offensive and/or ridiculous terms.

If this supposed to be is a comprehensive glossary of "words people might use", as a sort of dictionary for a putative confused clinician, it needs to be a lot less selective.

Or, alternatively, it might be better to have a general statement about being tolerant of people's choice of language.

(Which would of course include tolerance about people pointing out that transwomen are men, I hope...)

And also, if you think the point is to acknowledge that distressed people are running on a euphemism treadmill to escape associations of widely-used terms, surely you want to avoid general usage of those private terms! The point is that they shouldn't be widely used - euphemism is the intent!

No, more feline than fishy!

Back on topic, never heard the term bonus hole before. Must say I much prefer cunt. Seems less weird and derogatory and an ancient word as a pp said, but certainly vagina should be the term used in clinical settings.

well many people call them a vag, front bottom or cunt - are those words in there?

It's not a bonus fucking hole no matter how many twats (is that in there too?) want to call it that.

TBH I'm not bothered overmuch with "women and..." if it comes to potentially life-threatening or -saving medical care. But since the VAST MAJORITY of people with a cervix are women, and since many women have issues around language (due to ability to understand English or learning difficulties or anything else) it is VITAL for the language used to reflect that.

But I will never ever not challenge some absolute cauliflower who calls my vagina, or anyone else's vagina come to that, a "bonus hole"

Let me get this straight, penis is okay to use as long as they call its a womens penis, but vagina isn't then just a male valine but rather some sort of bonus prize??

And I'm sorry, but in a medical setting it is incredibly important to use the correct terminology.

If transmen must be shielded from their own anatomy and bonus hole is now an acceptable term to be used in lieu of vagina, what are transwomen calling their penis?

Oh, yes, a penis.

Reductive Inclusive language for body parts only ever seems to be used with regards to biological women.

Is a Barbie pouch a vagina?

And is that included?

I'm rapidly running out of words to describe how crazy things are... 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

You have hit the nail on the head once again. I'm all for making the patient comfortable but this is just misogyny.

I think HCPs should be aware of terms like this but I don't think they should be encouraged to use them. Perhaps find a compromise term that their patient is ok with instead.

I am referring to the promotion of trans joy.

Using this language is part and parcel of being trans and to be embraced.

I was just remembering a book about sex I had many years ago in which the author had not restricted themselves to the word penis or vagina but had used a different term each time, over the course of quite a lengthy book. It was actually quite impressive how many terms she used - I remember 'bejewelled treasure box' as one example.

She did not, however, use the term 'bonus hole'. Because it is horrendous.

And I'm sorry, but in a medical setting it is incredibly important to use the correct terminology

I often wonder what would happen with insurance should a dr or nurse or hospital be sued for a poor outcome. How would a case go for the medical.professionals of a transman sued saying they were given inaccurate information.

“It may respect a trans man's dignity to use language they are comfortable with.”

Do you honestly think it respects a person’s dignity to reinforce their self hatred when discussing medical issue?

that is the real point in all this. I wouldn't, as a health-care professional, be comfortable using that language.

Can you refer a patient to someone else in that case? If trans/whatever healthcare professionals can refuse to treat an elderly dementia patient who requests a biological female, can the health care professionals also request not to have to use language that is demeaning to them?

I mean, it's a vagina. Having a vagina doesn't, apparently, make you a woman. So it can't stop you being a man. It is a word that describes a body part like appendix or liver.

but if you are receiving intimate care from someone who makes you uncomfortable you have to suck it up as an elderly woman?

I think if anyone is going to a womens clinic for a treatment that only affects women they should be mature & grown up enough to cope with the words vagina.. In Ireland when I was growing up young children referred to Mickeys & Minnie's... Boys had a "mickey", girls had a Minnie.. Bonus hole reminds me of this..
"Taking the Mickey" is still an expression here for taking the piss!

It says in the glossary multiple times: "check what language your patient is comfortable with"

i have no problem with this

but when dd went in for a coil and i have been in for many smears there was no at no point a ‘check’ to see what language we would prefer

we called it a woo when dd was growing up (and before anyone has the screaming ab dabs she did know the correct terminology) but obviously no one ‘official’ called it that

so its perfectly true that this is only being used with certain females not all…

You'll all be pleased to hear anyone objecting to this term is 'histrionic'.

https://knowyourmeme.com/news/bonus-hole-trends-on-twitter-after-anti-trans-posters-find-it-in-cervical-cancer-charitys-glossary-for-trans-sexual-health-care

And Pride magazine says we need to 'calm down'.

https://www.pride.com/gay-news/bonus-hole

Women must keep their mouths shut while their body parts are redrawn in the language of porn. Men will define us as they see fit, and we are to submit to the male gaze, the male lexicon, the male definitions.

DH is a doctor and showed me an operations list a couple of days ago (no names).

It had the headings of sex and details of the operations.

There was a list of 5 women with gynae ops.

Then the last patient was an op relating to someone's ovaries. Sex was "male" 🤦‍♀️

I would never use these awful terms "bonus hole" or "front hole", but it's perhaps useful to come pre-warned that a woman who denies she's a woman might use these euphemisms for her own vagina.

@RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer that's it, the language needs to be used for every patient. As I said when I was tiny I called it my "Minnie", they can call it that from now on, not as offensive as bonus ball..

They need to also start asking me what they want their Mickeys referred to... Todgers, Cocks, little willy...

It's all about inclusivity. Cannot have one rule for one & not for all. It's discrimination.

That is ridiculous, but I am wondering who was responsible for adding this biological lie to the patient's medical record? I hope this isn't being done by doctors or nurses.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/laurenstrapagiel/front-hole-vagina-controversy-healthline

This is from a few years back. Again, the implication is that women are over reacting.

'They also point out that front hole is an accepted term by “National Institutes of Health, Human Rights Campaign, BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth journal, and Fenway Health in collaboration with Harvard Medical School, the National LGBT Health Education Center, and the Massachusetts League of Community Health Centers.”
So yes, your vagina is still a vagina and everything is going to be okay.'

Everything is far from fucking okay. Respected journals and institutes are using dehumanising terms for women's bodies.

Medics have no choice. This is NHS policy. Records show 'gender', not 'sex'.

@meowgender I don't know, I'll ask him who prepares the lists.