‘Bonus hole’

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So I can’t believe this is real but it seems to be.
What do we make of Jo’s cervical trust a cancer charity who has an LGBT inclusive language page on their website suggesting another word for a vagina is a bonus
hole!!

Absolutely awful.

My head hurts.

Ex dr speaking ---- Sometimes I would have to do a genital examination on a preschool boy, and I'd always ask them first if I could have a look. Before doing so, I'd ask the adult with them what word the child used for his penis, then use that with the child. I'd use the correct adult terms when talking to the caregiver. That's the difference between having a conversation regarding healthcare with a 4 year old and an adult. You say "willy" or "tail" or "front bottom" with a child, not with an adult.

I've heard adult women talk about "front bottoms" when seeking health care but I wouldn't repeat the term back to them, no way, not unless they spoke v little English and didn't know the correct term -- then I'd tell them what it was in English.

I even taught comm skills to students. They were told to check understanding with their patients. We never told them they had to reflect the same language back to patients.

Oh, and if any 4 year old girl had been taught to refer to her vagina as a "bonus hole" then I'd seriously cosider running that past the child protection team for their viewpoint. Because it reeks of misogyny, pornography and abuse.

Thanks, mauvish. This guide has nothing to do with patient care. It's propaganda pushing woman hating ideology.

Nail on head mauvish.
Professionals have or learn the relevant skills to deal with all this. What's happening is a collective deskilling of professionals so that they abandon their skills and knowledge, adopting fantastical beliefs, dangerous medical practices (sterilising children) & anti safeguarding approaches that repeatedly leave vulnerable people exposed.
It's unforgivable.

Because it reeks of misogyny, pornography and abuse.

That's deliberate. It's not accidental.

God, this is gross. I really can't find the words.

Not even a few seconds. And when I searched in private mode even more came up but I couldn't screenshot that.

That's the first reference I've seen to that term in the wild.

Does anyone have any record of any transman ever using the term, outwith porn?

And again, why would a women centred organisation be normalising such language as being 'acceptable'?

Supposedly a woman centred organisation anyway.

All the rest of the search results you may need to click on the image to see all of the porn ones at the bottom.

And if i just search bonus hole

So, just gay porn, then.

Thanks for the research!

Most of the definitions in 'urban dictionary' refer to a 'bonus hole' as the anus.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bonus%20hole

Here's a large helping of word salad and genderwang from 2014:

'Boycunts and Bonus Holes: Trans Men’s Bodies, Neoliberalism, and the Sexual Productivity of Genitals

'Recent theorizations of trans embodiment have brought attention to the ways neoliberalism limits the productivity of nonnormatively gendered bodies. This article deals with the discursive framing of embodiment and sexual desirability among trans men and other transmasculine persons negotiating Internet-mediated homoerotic spaces.* Micro-level analysis of discourse structure and macro-level analysis of socio-political context together show how trans men navigate homonormative sexual economies by linguistically recuperating their bodies’ sexually productivity. Instead of undermining claims of embodied masculinity and homoerotic value, potential sites of exclusion—i.e., trans genitals—become sites of flexible accumulation that enhance rather than detract from their bearers’ desirability.'

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2014.870438

*this means gay porn sites, yes?

Seriously? So it's offensive and hurtful to use 'incorrect' language when referring to someone's gender identity, but it's not offensive to deliberately use misogynistic, incorrect, grossly offensive ways to describe womens bodies? I honestly cannot believe how fucked up the world is now.

Yes C152, we are now in the era of fully supporting female people to derogate their bodies in the name of inclusion and supporting them to continue to hate their bodies and use fucked up misogynistic terminology to refer to it. For the sake of some porn-soaked female people.

Even better, we don't see one support group call this behaviour out or say, actually, this is not healthy to continue these female people to refer to their bodies with such hatred and to normalise this. We should actually be out there helping them to deal with the realities of everyday life and use of appropriate body parts.

But hey! What the fuck! If a support group did this, they would be denounced. Because if they did this, then they would have to call out the other dehumanisation of female bodies. And they would have to call out the inherent danger in calling extremely harmful surgeries euphemisms such as 'top' and 'bottom' surgery instead of calling them what they really are and insisting that prospective patients fully understand ALL the negative side effects. But they cannot do this either.

They cannot even fucking admit that promoting binders is harmful to young female people, and NO! it is not fucking OK to bind breasts because 'hey they are going to be removed anyway'.

When you pull on the thread of why they allow this very obvious dehumanising language, it shines a mega watt spotlight on why.

Female people don't count in such a misogynistic movement.

The system in the hospital Trust I work at has 'sex assigned at birth' and 'legal sex', and legal sex is the one on short form records, you have to go looking to find if 'assigned at birth' is different. You can get your legal sex marker changed if you want to. Even if you're under 18, have (thankfully) had no pharmaceutical or surgical interventions, and have a problem with your brain.

I know this, because I raised safeguarding concerns about a young woman whose records now say she is male, which means if she came in through A&E unconscious/unaccompanied by a parent who knows reality, she'd be put in a bay with adult males. Possibly disinhibited ones, due to the brain issues patients in that ward have. I was told there wasn't a problem as there have been no incidents so far.

Huh?

🙄

So potentially a female medical practitioner would have to use a term that refers to a body part they have in these terms because getting transmen to accept it’s ok to say vagina something something?

I think that fantastic amount of wang basically is trying to say that sex based reality is a turn off.

Absolutely!

*this means gay porn sites, yes?

Yes, I think so. Jacob Breslow is still on medical leave from the LSE after his (they's?) Mermaids debacle, so we can't check...

FFS! That's worrying. But of course it will all be sorted out if there are any incidents, so that's allright then...

That sounds unsafe. Thank you for looking out for patients, it sounds like the system is potentially a hindrance rather than a help.