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Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 23/06/2023 08:45

Or rather their barrister does. The case somehow got as far as court without the police giving Caroline's representations to the barrister. Once he read them he declined to proceeed.

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1671854328485691392?

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1672117973862039552?

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DrLouiseJMoody · 02/08/2023 20:12

Also should mention that there are no sophisticated forensic downloads to be done. The stalking application said that had already happened. There was no evidence of the KiwiFarns memes (unsurprising since it's beyond obvious that neither Caroline or myself are that KitKat poster - and, frankly, whilst I wouldn't post it I really don't care if anyone else does at this point). All they could muster were the 39 screens, legitimately saved as part of Caroline's previous cases.

So no, there's no further evidence to be gathered - it doesn't exist by Surrey Police's own findings.

Felix125 · 02/08/2023 20:12

DarkDayforMN
I agree - there are tons & tons of policies and procedures which should be changed within the police. You could start another thread for that alone.

Felix125 · 02/08/2023 20:15

DrLouiseJMoody

What about the evidence offered from the reporting person?
If that is digital media - then this will have to be downloaded in a specific way for it to be admissible. You can't just view it or take a screen shot.

That's potentially the further evidence to be gathered.

DrLouiseJMoody · 02/08/2023 20:16

LOL @ "Evidence" from the reporting person.

Felix125 · 02/08/2023 20:42

DrLouiseJMoody
LOL @ "Evidence" from the reporting person.

Depends what they have reported - but there will have to be some sort of evidence from them to put before CPS.

AlisonDonut · 02/08/2023 21:29

Felix125 · 02/08/2023 20:42

DrLouiseJMoody
LOL @ "Evidence" from the reporting person.

Depends what they have reported - but there will have to be some sort of evidence from them to put before CPS.

How many more fucking times...there is no fucking evidence.

That's the fucking point.

The 'evidence' is a meme that she didn't even post because she was PLAYING A FUCKING ORGAN IN FUCKING CHURCH IN FULL VIEW OF THE FUCKING CONGREGATION AT THE TIME IT WAS FUCKING POSTED.

We have explained this time and again and you wonder why we want to tell you to give it a fucking rest?

DogsAkimbo · 03/08/2023 00:46

AlisonDonut · 02/08/2023 21:29

How many more fucking times...there is no fucking evidence.

That's the fucking point.

The 'evidence' is a meme that she didn't even post because she was PLAYING A FUCKING ORGAN IN FUCKING CHURCH IN FULL VIEW OF THE FUCKING CONGREGATION AT THE TIME IT WAS FUCKING POSTED.

We have explained this time and again and you wonder why we want to tell you to give it a fucking rest?

Has anyone ever had a better alibi than this? It’s pretty much perfection.

Felix125 · 03/08/2023 06:11

AlisonDonut

How do you know there is no evidence, when you're not even 100% certain who the reporting person is?

Therefore, you don't know what the specific offence is and hence do not know what the evidence is to that offence.

Needmoresleep agreed that an assumption is being made here that its the same complainant as before and cannot be 100% certain its the same one.

You keep bringing this argument up time & time again and wonder why I keep repeating myself.

Beefcurtains79 · 03/08/2023 07:47

I’m just a lurker but even I know who the complainant is? How bizarre.
Also don’t you ever have to work Felix? You spend more time on mumsnet than me, and I’m currently unemployed. It’s weird AF.

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/08/2023 07:52

My next door neighbours cat knows who the complainant is

BezMills · 03/08/2023 07:53

I'm an expert on being on the internet, I've been on the internet since before Felix was born. A poster with this posting rate is either unemployed or posting while at work.

RocketPanda · 03/08/2023 08:07

Christ on a bike Felix, I'll try and break it down for you.
Say I've taken great offence to something posted by @FeIix125 and I decide that it must be posted by PC Plum in Shop Street Police Station. PC Plum is invited for interview and has his electronic devices checked and no evidence of him being @FeIix125 is found and at the time of the offensive post being posted he was on a stage in Glastonbury singing along with Snow Patrol.
And instead of anyone saying RocketPanda clearly got it completely wrong and needs to apologise, the Police decide that they'll drag it on for as long as possible for absolutely no reason.

SinnerBoy · 03/08/2023 08:14

Brefugee · Yesterday 06:38

You mentioned Gracie Spinks and others have brought up cases of Police not taking women seriously. DrLouiseJMoody mentions that the cop in charge is a woman.

It puts me in mind of something which happened to my wife, a couple of years ago. She'd come home from work after shopping and was a bit tight on time, to collect our daughter from school. She'd opened the front door and was rushing to the car and back with shopping.

As she was about to leave, the dog came up the street, followed by an angry man. He called her all sorts of names and said that the dog had pood outside his gate. She apologised and said that if course she would pick it up. (She always does, this was an aberration).

She was hurrying down and he said, "Fucking run, bitch!" As she was removing it, he threatened her with violence.

We have a local Police pop in place, I went round and they told me to ring the non emergency line, so I did, but they wouldn't take a report from me, so I gave the phone to my wife.

The person on the phone was a female Police officer - she identified herself as PC "Smith."

Over quite a long conversation, I could hear that she was brash and dismissive. She concluded by telling my wife, "It's not a Police matter, tell your husband to go and sort him out."

Yes, "sort him out."

I did go down, his girlfriend came to the window and said he wasn't in, even though I could see him through the blinds. I was quite relieved, I had no idea who he was, or if he would answer the door with a knife.

I mean, if even women cops are unsympathetic to women, what hope is there?

AlisonDonut · 03/08/2023 08:24

Felix was impersonated on here and didn't like it, but expects Caro to suck it up.

She's been harassed for years with this behaviour. If the police had responded the same way Mumsnet did with the faker, then she could maybe just get on with her life.

I mean we don't have any evidence that Felix wasn't the fake Felix. Just his word.

LarkLane · 03/08/2023 08:41

I'd just like to reassure everyone that Felix indeed works in response.
On FWR

BezMills · 03/08/2023 09:02

I'd not be making any significant decisions based on claims on a forum, so I don't really mind if people claim this or that. If it's in my areas of expertise (which are of course many, as a former Apollo Astronaut and High Court Judge, to mention but two of my storied careers), I'll see right through it. If it's not, meh.

DrLouiseJMoody · 03/08/2023 09:40

Yes, Caroline was in church when that KitKat posted (I've often been at work minus phone when various others have) and, then, there are our messages saying "Blimey. That meme is a bit much" (although, as I said, I'm way past caring what others post and won't condemn anything after what we've been put through - judge as you wish) which would be odd to exchange were either of us the author.

But suppose we were any other poster? (we're not and post in our own names). Frankly, so what. No-one has been threatened. There's just a discussion of various individuals who, in my view, deserve most of the commentary. Don't want to be ridiculed? Then don't behave in ridiculous ways.

I really am past bothering about it.

BezMills · 03/08/2023 09:50

Fair comment @DrLouiseJMoody

WILTYjim · 03/08/2023 12:46

Like Caroline, I am being targeted by a deluded fantasist and the police are lapping it up. The OIC is malicious and incompetent and I suspect Felix is part of the same force. It absolutely beggars belief.

I’m delighted the SPO has been thrown out, I am not surprised in the least that “reasonable lines of enquiry” weren’t pursued by Wiggum. I wish I had the time (and the non broken phone screen) to write some of the utterly fictional allegations against me, including the use of machine guns, that have led to my situation.

Can’t wait to see the failure of a human that is the OIC in my case cross examined in court by my barrister. I will enjoy seeing her utter incompetence in public.

@DrLouiseJMoody please pass on my love and solidarity.

BezMills · 03/08/2023 12:55

That sounds absolutely horrendous @WILTYjim

One of the first duties of our civil servants is to spend our money wisely. I appreciate it's very difficult for the police.

It is long past time for Sorry Police to realise they are being played like proper mugs and spaffing OUR MONEY down the drain at the behest of a malicious person.

The officer involved needs additional support and training, perhaps with a view to getting a more suitable job detecting shoplifting at a Tesco Metro.

Felix125 · 03/08/2023 17:24

BezMills
I'm an expert on being on the internet, I've been on the internet since before Felix was born. A poster with this posting rate is either unemployed or posting while at work.
If you look at the times I am posting - you can probably work my shift pattern out. I posted at 0615 hours today (approx) and nothing until now. Guess where I have been today.......

AlisonDonut
Where have I said that I expect Caroline to suck it up?
I have said previously that due to various reasons (underfunded, under resourced, safeguarding etc etc) the process will drag out. CPS alone have at least a 1 month turnaround for decisions on cases. Are you wanting cases to be investigated properly and fully evidenced case files to be submitted to CPS and a court which they accept straight away? Or is it acceptable to do half a job?

I mean we don't have any evidence that Felix wasn't the fake Felix. Just his word.
This was confirmed by MNHQ. Who ever the user was has been banned - I have not been banned.

She's been harassed for years with this behaviour. If the police had responded the same way Mumsnet did with the faker, then she could maybe just get on with her life.
So if the police posted that "...The above posts is from a fake username and is not the person they are claiming to be..." You would have been happy with that as a conclusion to someone's complaint of harassment?

RocketPanda
Christ on a bike Felix, I'll try and break it down for you.
So what was Caroline arrested for on this occasion? Wasn't the 'Church Organ' incident well before this current arrest? Is it the same reporting person and are you 100% certain of this - as others on here admit that they are only assuming that it is. Are you assuming this too?

So what if whilst @Felix125 was on stage, they brought with them a mobile device that they could just click 'send' on it and send the abusive comment. Or there was evidence that @Felix125 had given their password to another person for them to send the offensive comment whilst @Felix125 was on stage and had a water tight alibi?

Therefore, do you know what the reporting person has reported and what evidence they have to offer?

I suspect that you don't know for certain, certainly not 100% and hence you are assuming or guessing.

It might indeed be the same person, but there again it might not.

AlisonDonut · 03/08/2023 17:31

I mean we don't have any evidence that Felix wasn't the fake Felix. Just his word.
This was confirmed by MNHQ. Who ever the user was has been banned - I have not been banned

Erm, no. Nobody knows who actually posted it. It could easily be you pretending to not be you pretending to be you.

Felix125 · 03/08/2023 17:40

AlisonDonut

OK - if you don't believe me, take it up with MNHQ - they will be able to confirm it for you.

SabrinaThwaite · 03/08/2023 18:13

Pretty sure we can be confident about the complainant.

Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow
toomanytrees · 03/08/2023 18:16

If I understand correctly, the police told Caroline Farrow that she cannot discuss the details of the case except with those close to her while the case is ongoing. By what powers can the police insist that a person remain silent? I can understand a person's legal team advising silence. But I didn't know that the police could demand it of someone who is interviewed. It seems an infringement of free speech and when a case drags on, a vehicle for harassment.