France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

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https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the references to 'TRAs' used against any poster who supports trans rights being reported and deleted then.

They frequently are.

Please post your evidence.

If you cannot post your evidence it will become very clear that you are repeating misinformation you have found credible without that evidence being based on anything except spurious claims and very poor logic.

It's very instructive just how much rage there is when women assert their boundaries and say 'No'.

As for the views of those 'verifiable' lesbians, well they may talk the talk but like the one ranting at us don't walk the walk. After all, we keep being told that TW have been around for years and years and years, surprising that none of those 'verifiable' lesbians have ever so much as dated one isn't it? Good for thee but not for me, how very hypocritical.

Me finding someone attractive, or being willing to sleep with them, is not the definition of what makes a woman.

Indeed, the definition of woman is adult human female and TW do not fall into that category whatever you or they may say.

Still I am none the wiser to whether two males, at least one of whom a late transitioner, can be considered a "lesbian couple".

I mean given that @TeaKlaxon thinks that some men are women, their idea of what a verifiable lesbian is could be literally anything

if words have no meaning then nothing you say has meaning

And the word 'tolerant' has been shown to now mean the exact opposite of its original meaning. And therefore worthless.

I am thinking though that klaxon is doing a mighty fine job of showing what tolerance means today to a small group of people with extreme prejudices and extreme demands.

Uganda recently changed the law - being gay can result in the death penalty. What do Stonewall have to say about it? I just searched their website and took a screenshot - nada!

It was Melbourne and I already posted a first-hand report from the Let Women Speak event debunking that earlier in this thread.

You seem very focussed on proving that lesbians who are male-exclusive are a 'tiny minority'.

I mean, why does it matter? Lesbians are a minority.

Het males, however. Are ten a penny.

Helle already pointed out above that TRAs=Trans Rights Activists, and activists are people. "Lot", on the other hand is a group of literally anything so is dehumanising.

Men who want to break the cotton ceiling are calling themselves Lesbians.
Are you ok with that?
Actual heterosexual men insisting on being given access to Lesbian groups and Lesbian bodies?

Loads of lesbians like to sleep with men I expect

it must get very tiring being you

I don't believe everyone who attends Pride believes as you do. I think many people probably have a more moderate view. Your views seem to be extreme. And ill articulated.

Yet, you seem to appointed yourself as the representative viewpoint of all those who attend an event.

There is that polarised thinking again. You don't seem to be able to conceive that many people with many different beliefs attend publicly open events. That seems inconceivable to hold as a concept as an adult who has the ability to critically think and analyse the world around them.

And by the way, women's rights rallies are not 'transphobic'. You really don't seem to have any depth of understanding about either women's rights OR transphobia either. It is almost like there is little substance to what you write.

It all does seem rather inconsistent.

Tell you what, by your very own logic, if a nazi person attends Pride, it would make pride a literal nazi event!

Do you see where your assertions lead?

And no I don't condone any nazi attending any event at all. That was an extreme example but using your own words back at you klaxon.

Let's see what klaxon comes back with shall we.

So far, that rabbit hole that they climbed into looks to be bright sunlight shone on the degree of superficiality of their arguments. All this morning's posts have done really is show the lack of evidence behind posts and many distractive tactics to cover it and the glaringly obvious emotional manipulation behind it all.

it has been a remarkable morning.

Well younger lesbians are even more supportive of trans people than older lesbians (who are also overwhelmingly supportive of trans people). And I use them as examples because I keep hearing from straight people what a lesbian really is, and those same straight people insist on either dismissing my experiences or claiming I'm not who I say I am (which is fine, by the way, any of us could be anyone).

So what we can do, rather than relying on anonymous internet posters is look at what prominent, verifiable lesbians, are saying.

I can see what you're saying, and I do accept that we can only listen to the voices of those who are actually talking.

However, I think that what you might not have picked up on from your social circles where you're seeing all this vocal acceptance of transwomen as women and therefore as lesbians, is the not insignificant number of the lesbians who feel that they can't speak out on this issue for fear of being branded transphobes if they do.

I think that while women are always on high alert for any risk of social transgression, lesbian women tend to be even more vigilant about social cohesion because of the risk from men who resent them and because their community is already so small and marginalised. So I think that lesbians who don't subscribe to gender ideology are understandably particularly reluctant to say so publicly.

I don't consider myself transphobic and I respect and have compassion for transwomen, but I don't accept that they are women and I don't date them any more, following several awful experiences that I definitely don't want to repeat.

I have been on several tinder-style dates where the person didn't tell me in advance that they were trans (it can be very hard to tell from a few carefully curated still photos), and their view was obviously that trans women are women and I am a lesbian and therefore I would only have a problem with that if I were a horrible transphobe.

And I guess it's not like when a transwoman is dating men and they have to worry about the guy getting violent when he finds out they're trabs - why would a 6' transwomen be worried about a little 5' biological woman getting annoyed with them? It's for me to worry about my safety in that situation, not them. And I don't get the option of declining as they unilaterally decided that I didn't need to know they were trans and that they know they're harmless, so why would I ever think otherwise or decide not to take the risk?

And to be honest, I've found that my issues with dating transwomen start way before the bedroom - the people I'm dating are late 30's at the youngest (often older) and have been socialised as male. I find it really hard to sit there on a date having just found out my date is a biological male because they had a different definition on "lesbian" and "woman" from me, and then hear all about how they believe their experience as a woman is akin to mine. I have been on dates with ardent male violence apologists, people repeatedly making incredibly patronising middle aged men comments to me, coercing me into condoning their caricatures of womanhood, having to 'protect' the transwoman by going downstairs to the isolated pub loo with them so that they don't get attacked by the other biological males in the pub, and so on.

I have had quite a few dates with transwomen and transmen (all from saying I'm a lesbian) - while the transmen have different issues (violence is one when they are on T, IME), I have found that it is always exhausting and not something that I would seek out from dating, not specifically because they have a penis but because they are biologically male and have usually been socialised as such, which simply doesn't work for me as a lesbian who is exclusively attracted to biological women.

Also, I have had so many problematic experiences with gender ideologues when dating that aside from not being prepared to date any more transwomen because they are biological male and I am a lesbian, I am also not prepared to date trans people or gender ideologues more generally as we are incompatible on philosophical grounds and it simply wouldn't work without one of us having to make untenable philosophical compromises.

I don't know whether you're in a relationship, but I do suggest you (safely) date some transwomen if you can as it really opened my eyes and before that I was very vocal that transwomen were women - dating them made me realise that simply isn't true in the slightest.

As soon as I read Queen's post, I assumed a massive nerve was about to be hit.

I didn't see the reply, though. but it's reassuring to know my prediction was correct.

What sort of lesbian takes exception to such a heartfelt description of lesbianism??

😁

I haven't seen "LOL" used like that in a few years. Thanks for reminding me of 2012.

Have a cuppa, log off and calm down. It's clear you're not getting anywhere on this thread and you're not going to convince anyone of sound mind to agree with you, so just give it a rest.

Start your own thread if you want, it could be your lucky day, you might come across another individual who seems like they have veins popping out of their forehead 24/7.

No one cares who you're attracted to. There's no questionnaire asking about who you're attracted to before you march in pride.

I hate to break it to you, but pride was about homosexual orientation being accepted. No one had to fill out a questionnaire, because it was self evident.

What matters for Pride is whether you're inclusive of the LGBT+ community.

Haha!! Men wanting to sleep with lesbians? Get over yourself.

If not, that's fine. Pride just isn't for you.

Hence Get The L Out, Drop the T, L without the T, the LGBA, The Lesbian Project, and numerous, more secret, lesbian only groups.

Lesbians don't do dick.

And guess what?

They're not doing dick all over the place.

Notice TeaKlaxon entirely avoids my discussion of them using Queer and gender-attracted as categories , which I, as a Lesbian, totally welcome.

Why? Because it's all about males, wanting to be validated in their ....hmm what do we call men who get turned on wearing women's clothes 😉

I suppose counting is as good as it gets for evidence when your engagement is stuck at the level of a 14 year old.

Oh me! Me! I know that one!

It's fetishists.

Am I led by KJK? You sound increasingly peculiar