Four found dead in property

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The police are not looking for anyone else, we know how this generally unfolds.

RIP Dawid, Maja and Monika. Sorry society has failed yet another family, I can't see an end to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65937795

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Inquest

Yes, but it's very light touch compared to a full trial and is focused on explaining the cause of death rather than assigning blame.

Men who are sound of mind don't do things like this. When suicide is the biggest cause of death of men under 50 it's clear something is not right. Depressed people are 3x more likely to commit a violent crime.

Obviously this is shocking disturbing and horrifying.
I'm not saying this to defend violent men but one reason why men do most of the killing is because they are the bigger stronger ones, if a man snaps and goes postal he has the physical strength and dominant mindset that means he's likely to do a lot of damage. If a woman snaps and goes postal she's not going to go around killing men because she's not able to intimidate and overpower them in the way that men can women.

Where is the evidence of this? Women who are depressed are not noted for their violent offending.

When suicide is the biggest cause of death of men under 50 it's clear something is not right

This presumably wasn't just a suicide, though. I notice you're ignoring the three other deaths.

I have supported many abused women and a few men maybe I shouldn't have helped the men because statistically they are in the wrong. Nobody is making excuses for anyone if he is found by an inquest to be guilty that is fair but it is morally wrong to make judgements on a person to person basis if you don't have full facts....the media do not have that.
Saying people need to be fair is not standing up for men it's standing up for being fair.
I'm sorry for what happened to you but this post is just reversing that. Saying all men are automatically guilty is no different to saying all women are automatically innocent but we know historically some evil vial women played their part.

Family annihilators are controlling men who escalate their control to the final stage, of deciding whether their family members remain alive or die, and controlling when and how their families die.

The “poor man, he must have been suffering so much to do something so extreme” myth is one of the myths which leads to action not being taken to address the very real issue and very serious risks of coercive control in relationships.

So what do YOU think happened here, @jannier ?

Depression makes you 3x more likely to commit a violent crime. Men already have 10x more testosterone which has been repeatedly linked to violence.

It's no justification but it's a contributing factor.

What would you do? hang draw and quarter the body? Unfortunately you can't punish the dead. There never will be true justice once everyone is dead.

We don't know that's the whole point until investigation is finished it's wrong to speculate.
There have been cases of parents jointly killing children who are ill, poison ingress from other buildings, either parent doing it wait and find out

This myth that a man “snaps and goes postal” is another of the myths that diverts attention away from the reality of coercive control in relationships.

A man who decides to kill his family is not the same as a man who goes out on a rampage kills random strangers. Family annihilators are escalating their control of their family. Rampage killers have different motivation.

Men who are sound of mind don't do things like this. When suicide is the biggest cause of death of men under 50 it's clear something is not right. Depressed people are 3x more likely to commit a violent crime.

Yes they do. The man who murdered my mum was just an abusive controlling areshole. There was no evidence that he had mental health issues....he just wanted to stop my mum from leaving the relationship.

But all the articles mention that the child was 'always smiling' and the mum was seen 'happily playing' with the kids two days before the event. Doesn't sound like a family living in fear.

I'm thinking something was going on with the guy's mental health. Eastern European men are even more patriarchal than, in most Western European countries and there usually tends to be a more traditional setup with the man fulfilling the typical 'male role'. It screams to me of a guy with mental health problems who like many men ignored them for fear of being seen as 'weak', maybe drinking to deal with it.

What would you do? hang draw and quarter the body? Unfortunately you can't punish the dead. There never will be true justice once everyone is dead.

I didn't say I would do anything differently. I was just point out what happens and how that can make the surviving friends and family feel.

Men who are sound of mind don't do things like this.

Bloody hell, of course they do.

I have supported many abused women and a few men maybe I shouldn't have helped the men because statistically they are in the wrong.
Nobody has said you shouldn't help men

Nobody is making excuses for anyone if he is found by an inquest to be guilty that is fair but it is morally wrong to make judgements on a person to person basis if you don't have full facts....the media do not have that.

True, but people here are referring to what is statistically most likely to have happened.

Saying people need to be fair is not standing up for men it's standing up for being fair.

Unfortunately you do sound like you are going to great lengths to defend men. My husband saw this story and came to exact same conclusions as many on this thread has.....he isn't offended by that he just knows what the most likely scenario is.

I'm sorry for what happened to you but this post is just reversing that. Saying all men are automatically guilty is no different to saying all women are automatically innocent but we know historically some evil vial women played their part.

Who has said ALL men are automatically guilty? Nobody.

But all the articles mention that the child was 'always smiling' and the mum was seen 'happily playing' with the kids two days before the event. Doesn't sound like a family living in fear.

My mum went out for a meal and drinks with her partner on the night he murdered her and it had been in a abusive relationship with him for years. Witnesses said they looked happy.

I'm thinking something was going on with the guy's mental health. Eastern European men are even more patriarchal than, in most Western European countries and there usually tends to be a more traditional setup with the man fulfilling the typical 'male role'. It screams to me of a guy with mental health problems who like many men ignored them for fear of being seen as 'weak', maybe drinking to deal with it.

Excuses, excuses....you should be ashamed of this post.

Excuses, excuses....you should be ashamed of this post

That poster has shown no recognition that there's a dead woman and two children involved here.

Given that from what the police said someone in that house murdered two children and an adult we have two options the husband or the wife. Given that also statistically this sort of crime is committed almost entirely by men I feel perfectly OK saying that I think it most likely the husband did it.

No one is going to stand trial for this so the presumptions around innocence until proven guilty don't apply. Either way the murderer is dead. We can say what we like. And I'll bet the family have other things to do right now than spend time reading a thread on a forum in the depths of the internet.

And I don't have kids.

Dolly, I'm so very, very sorry.

Thank you @ArabeIIaScott

What can we do? There are better qualified experts on this board than me but just off the top of my head.

We can condemn male violence.

We can stop making excuses for male violence.

We can support men and encourage them to seek help for their mental health.

We can educate women and girls about violence and coercive relationships.

We can help women and girls to find self spaces.

We can review the role of family courts and challenge the persistent myth that children should see violent partners.

We can ignore what about the menz posters on a feminism discussion thread about family annihilation.

DollyTrolly I'm so sorry too .