Four found dead in property

[WhiteFire]

The police are not looking for anyone else, we know how this generally unfolds.

RIP Dawid, Maja and Monika. Sorry society has failed yet another family, I can't see an end to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65937795

No, I don't @jannier. I don't go reaching for unlikely events and scenarios with zero evidence because I can't cope with the distasteful fact that men are responsible for well over 90% of murders.

We live in a world now where judgement is made Purley on gender

It's based on sex because over 90% of violent crimes are committed by men. Has that entirely passed you by? Do you live under a rock?

These incidents happen when there’s a controlling man who takes a decision to escalate up to the final stage of his control of the family: controlling whether they live or die.

Across society there isn’t full understanding of that. Lots of people buy into the ‘crime of passion’ myth, the ‘loss of control’ myth, the ‘no way to predict these things’ myth, and the ‘poor guy, he must have been having a really thought time to do something like that’ myth.

So those myths and that lack of understanding is something which society needs to address.

Also: dv escalates. Men won't generally be violent out of nowhere. Almost always this follows a pattern of coercion, control, and abuse.

If there was better awareness of the dynamic and the issues, we may actually be better able to get a grip on the issue, as a society.

Yes. The idea that you wale up one morning and perpetuate this gross, excess violence after a life of entirely blameless behaviour is extraordinary.

This is a case where those wringing their hands about how men might feel about being confronted by the end result of domestic violence really need to go away and avail themselves of the golden opportunity to have a good old read about the subject.

Murder suicide means that 3 were murdered and the remaining one took their own life. So no external suspects etc.

The body language in the photo posted by the OP says a lot.

It's a sad truth that of course we all assume that it's a murder suicide, by the man. And even sadder that we will all most likely be right.

The Metropolitan Police's investigation is being led by homicide detectives.

Exactly this.

I'm not guessing who did what to whom in this tragic scenario. I'll wait for the police update to confirm what happened.

However I immediately thought the body language was strange - the children staying close to the mother and the father off to one side with no physical connection to the family group.

Speaks volumes.

Studies show that familicides (where a parent kills children and spouse) as opposed to filicides (where a parent kills a child) are “almost exclusively committed by men”.

https://theconversation.com/amp/why-do-men-kill-their-families-heres-what-the-research-says-132314

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1524838018821955

I don’t like to speculate, but in cases like this, there is really very little point in suspecting anyone but the husband. It’s almost certainly the woman and children who were the victims here and there seems something distasteful to me in suggesting that we won’t be certain until more details come out.

It really is always the man.

I agree. A neighbour has come out to say he threw stones at her cat. He sounds lovely.

Nellodee Thank you. I'll check out those links.

Don't talk wet. Of COURSE it was the man who was the killer @jannier

As has been said, if you want to protect and defend da menz, go start your own thread.

When it emerges it IS the man, you'd better come back on here and apologise -and admit you're wrong.

Well..... You know what the experts say about people (usually MALES) who abuse and harm animals. Hardly surprising that this MAN has killed his family if he is happy to harm animals. Hope he rots in hell.

This is a report from two people who died from CO poisoning at their home. The whole incident response is totally different as well as the reporting of it. (It is from 2018)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/08/two-men-dead-from-suspected-carbon-monoxide-poisoning

Pardon....apologies for saying wait for the investigation what is wrong with waiting rather than rushing in these people have families? Whatever statistics say there is always a percentage chance it is not the dad or not the dad on his own or we would all be saying put men on an island

Is that just in the UK alone?

Yes. The figures for the US is much higher, in part due to the easier access to guns.

Jeez Jannier

what’s wrong with you.

its plain as glass

the dad killed the mum and his children

stop defending him.

@Calling - yes

History has shown again and again that it is overwhelmingly men that carry out these acts. After which one are we going to put all men on an island?

@jannier

This is not the place or time.

Rightfully, women come on here in response to this terrible event to vent their anger and frustration.

We know not all men are like this, its obvious. There are many decent men around. You don't need to keep saying it here.

So you are anti men then.

Saying wait for the investigation is not defending it is saying don't be a lynch mob, we are supposed to be civilised women not cowboys stringing up on the nearest tree.