Four found dead in property

[WhiteFire]

The police are not looking for anyone else, we know how this generally unfolds.

RIP Dawid, Maja and Monika. Sorry society has failed yet another family, I can't see an end to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65937795

I share your despair about women who cling onto abusive men because they can't imagine a better life, or a life without being dependent on a man.

The point at which a woman leaves is the time she is most likely to be killed.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/women-leave/

Also because abusive men get contact with the kids.

My abusive ex wanted nothing to do with the kids when we together. But he made sure to tell me he would take them if I left. And he tried very very hard to take them. He has unsupervised contact. I spent thousands fighting and lost.

There was a point I regretted leaving looking at marks on my child. Now my children can talk and he's got board and palms the kids of on grandma. But staying till the kids could speak so a couple more years may genuinely have been best for my kids with the legal system as it is

We knew. Don't ever ever blame a woman who is senselessly murdered.

I see its been confirmed it was as the majority called it.

Fucking bastard

It is so, so hard for an abused woman to safely leave. Even more so if she has children.
The police, courts and social services cannot be trusted.
Abused women often have no money, have been isolated from friends and family who could help, are not believed when they report the abuse.
Are terrified of courts granting violent men unsupervised contact with children.
As others have pointed out, the most dangerous time is when she tries to leave.
Vulnerable, terrified, abused women should NOT be blamed for their own murder and the murder of their children.

I thought the same.. I often wonder about all the posters on here talking about the abuse they go through try to leave.
There's another awful case in the states, man killed all 3 kids and not the wife, to show her he was boss!

When will this shit end

Can I also point out womens aid funding was severely cut by our government over the last 10 years fecking austerity

And if you are a homeowner you have to self fund a place at refuge in many cases

@HoldOnMiGenna 👏👏👏

I'm just going to post this here as there are ways we can help

www.womensaid.org.uk/get-involved/give/other-ways-to-give/

The Women’s Aid website has an information pack. This is what the final page says.

Does your partner:
isolate you from friends and family? deprive you of food or heating?
monitor your time?
check up on what you do online?
take control over aspects of your everyday life, telling you where you can go, who you can see, what you can wear and when you can sleep?
stop you from getting medical help or support?
repeatedly put you down, such as saying you’re worthless?
humiliate or degrade you?
control your money and access to your home?
make threats or intimidate you?

The pack includes a myth busting section on pg 5.

but who is going to make men stand up and start to address their problems? They won't.
Ever year on Men's day i tweet resources and statistics about men's health, in particular mental health.

And do you think any of them say "great, thanks I'll check it out" or even retweet or whatever. So how do we stop (ha! it will never stop) or slow this down?

Better inform Oxford Uni of their outrageous lie.

People diagnosed with depression are roughly three times more likely than the general population to commit violent crimes such as robbery, sexual offences and assault, according to psychiatric experts.

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/25/diagnosed-depression-linked-to-violent-says-university-oxford-study-sweden

The researchers found that 3.7% of men and 0.5% of women committed a violent crime after being identified as clinically depressed.

Correlation does not equal causation.

I'm sorry you went through that.

Sadly I feel that the many armchair psychologists on here aren't open to consideration of any data that challenges their established view. They'll lambast me for not linking a study but then confidently state that 'it's all about male entitlement' without providing any source of their own.

Like all the posters on here that refuse to even consider that testosterone likely influences male violence despite reams of studies indicating that it almost certainly does - e.g. higher levels causing an increased fight/flight response in the brain and it also making women more violent as well as the vast majority of male mammals.

These people would rather blame 'men' as a whole but this approach (despite giving them ammunition for their constant diatribes) actually does a disservice to the victims because it creates an unresolvable problem by shifting the blame away from the perpetrators onto a massive group who are mostly innocent.

It's like trying to tackle littering in the local park by moaning to the residents rather than catching and fining the fuckers who do it. Most people will react with a "well, I'm not to blame" if accused of something they aren't actually doing themselves.

A better approach would be focusing on our sons and the men we can actually influence rather than trying to lecture men in general.

It seems logical to me that if suicide is the main cause of death in men <50 then a lot of men must be depressed. If depressed men are 3x more likely to commit violent crime we will probably see significantly more violent crime than if these men were able to receive the help they need.

Happy to discuss but won't be replying to any posters telling me I 'should be ashamed of myself'. For me this is about finding a solution rather than just revelling in another opportunity to moan about male entitlement, using the death of women and children as a vehicle to do this.

Funny though that nobody makes that argument when the data is supporting what they want it to.

It’s overwhelmingly men ffs. Yes women sometimes kill - usually because of serious mental health or because they snapped after enduring years of abuse - but statistically it’s almost always men. Who often just do it because of their pathetic fragile egos and because they can.

@MovinGroovinBarbie I stand by my comments suggesting you should be ashamed of some of things you have written.

You stated that men of sound mind don't murder their partners and children. That is categorically not true.
Some murderers may have mental health issues but does that cause them to become killers? Many murderers don't have mental health issues, so what's causing them to kill?
My mums murderer was not depressed. He had no mental health problems. He was just abusive- end of.

I stand by my statement that people of sound mind don't murder other people.

Funny though that nobody makes that argument when the data is supporting what they want it to.

There is research into why people (its most often men, by a significant margin) become family annihilators and the answer is neither a vague 'its mental health' or 'its depression'.

Multiple studies agree the reasons include a need for power over others, anger over loss of that power, fear over losing face.
these add up to entitlement.

https://www.parents.com/parenting/dynamics/inside-the-mind-of-family-annihilators/

I stand by my statement that people of sound mind don't murder other people.

And you are so, so wrong it's embarrassing.

With family annihilators there is often no history of criminal activity or mental illness, I think that these need to be considered outwith other violent acts. That study was quite a few years ago so it would be interesting to see if there was any follow up, any differences between countries and if substances were involved at the time of the criminality.

The solution is in the hands of men and only men.

Women have been shouting from the rooftops and trying to do something about male violence for decades, possibly centuries. The only way this is going to stop is if all men stand up and condemn abusive behaviour. That means no turning a blind eye, no excusing it as being one of the lads, no banter about how her indoors deserves a good slapping for being a nag (or whatever the lame excuse is). Until this becomes unacceptable to men this is going to continue. That is why it's a man problem. This is NOT another burden for women to shoulder.

Being depressed can make you care less about consequences to yourself. For most people that means they might be suicidal, engage in risky or unhealthy behaviour, etc etc. Most depressed/suicidal people won't go and murder because for most people the risk of punishment/personal consequences isn't the only reason not to murder.

Nasty bastard's on the other hand are more dangerous when they are depressed because the main check on their behaviour- the fear of consequences for themselves is removed. If an abusive person is serious about suicide then why wouldn't he take his wife/kids with him since he isn't going to be around to answer for it afterwards.

Shame he didn't just bypass the murders and just kill himself , it would have been the same outcome for him regardless.