Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

[zibzibara]

This is in the US, I hope she wins, this could be the beginning of the end for this gender ideology driven medical abuse over there:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/girl-sues-hospital-for-removing-her-breasts-at-age-13-post_5335492.html

Thirteen. My christ.

This is a fucking outrage.

I can’t work out how to insert the link, but just put Babylon bee tattoo into your search and it willcome up.

Looking forward to our resident TRAs coming onto this thread to explain why removing the breasts of 13 year old girls is justified.

I don’t know much about this but I did see a very emotional female US politician call the ban of gender affirming care for teens (which I take to include surgery)

I don’t agree with their stance but it struck me how intense the arguments are over there on this

Missed a bit - she called it hatred

The quotes at the end sum it up well...

"Kaiser continues to engage in the quackery of subjecting innocent children to irreversible sex mimicry treatment, including drugs and surgery, without informed consent,” Harmeet Dhillon, the CEO of the Center for American Liberty, which is also representing Jane, said in a statement.

“The medical providers responsible for Layla’s case, along with countless others, have substituted woke ideology for medically accepted standards of care, including lying to and manipulating vulnerable patients and families,” Dhillon added. “We are committed to holding them accountable for the harm inflicted upon Layla, and together we intend to strongly deter Kaiser’s factory-line approach that permanently mutilates an unknown number of American children, subjecting them to a lifetime of harm, regret, and medical consequences.”

Let's call it what it is. "Irreversible sex mimicry treatment" doesn't sound quite as gentle and appealing as "gender affirming care".

I'm starting to hate the phrase "gender affirming care" as much as "top surgery".

Agree the term is woeful and part of the problem

Surgical removal

I was a teacher 40 years . It seems just so obvious to me that teenagers are confused during the surge of hormones in the teen years . This is why they are so vulnerable to grooming and laws have to protect them .Any irreversible procedures should therefore surely only be undertaken in adulthood .

Agree with posts re lawsuits in America. Only huge amounts of money are going to turn this tide.

‘Eight states already have gender-affirming-care bans in place for people under the age of 18’

Overview here

https://time.com/6265755/gender-affirm-care-bans-u-s/

an utterly dismal tale.

although i abhor the idea of it, i at least understand the the hypothetical arguments in favour of castrating boys who want to transition in relatively early puberty - doing so will to some extent stop them fully developing certain male characteristics in terms of facial bone structure, their voice breaking, and so on, stuff that's difficult to fix surgically 'further down the line'.

there's no such advantage, even hypothetical advantage, that i can think of for similarly early surgical intervention amongst girls who want to transition. cutting their breasts off won't impact any of their other secondary characteristics one iota.

That’s great but this young person DOES have regrets and due to being operated on at 13, 13!!!!! now feel disfigured.
If they had been supported but encouraged to wait all this could probably have been avoided

Even calling it gender affirming care is fucking awful

Actually I'm not entirely sure she should get a big payout. Should they all? All the people who will then claim payouts in the future? She was very determined. Her parents allowed this. We all know it's wrong. But why blame the doctors here - if they hadn't allowed her to or refused her surgery it's highly likely that she just would've gone on to the next person until she found someone who would, because people of that ilk will just keep going until they get what they want.

This 100%.

In fact I would go further and say there are no acceptable circumstances where it's is considered appropriate to remove heathy body parts from anyone, irrespective of age. IMO anyone who wants to remove healthy bits of their body with no physical health benefit has a very serious mental health issue.

What a ridiculous reason. The doctors shouldn’t be blamed?! “It’s best that I remove your healthy breasts for no good reason and no evidence because if I don’t, someone else will.” 🙄

Yes they should have refused. And so should have the next one. And the next one. The fact that somewhere down the chain there might eventually be a cowboy willing to do it doesn’t justify the first group acting like John Wayne.

We do know that. We know there are people who identify as the opposite gender to what they believe they are - whatever that means to them. That's not really the point here. This was a vulnerable, anxious, unwell child who was exploited for profit and to support the anti-women stance of some powerful men.

It's physical, emotional abuse. The parents and the doctors that 'affirmed' her and popped her on the route should be sued and maybe imprisoned. She has to bear the cost of the 'experiment' with her body/life.

Some just look the other way. People that express concerns are call transphobic or bigots. The madness needs pushing back against.

Yet here it is in a corner of MN where many people will not read it or refuse to read because here in the naughty corner are those of us who will not affirm/will not listen to the ideology or latest trend.

Why is this hidden?

This.

Confusion doesn't mean you want to change sex. Could just be going through a normal confused period during intense hormones. Could be gay/bi. Who knows but drugs and surgery are not the answer.

So are you anti-regulating of any and all body modifications? Stomach stapling on anorexics? Removing healthy limbs from people who identify as disabled or other body parts from people with extreme health anxieties? What about other regulations? Shall we remove age restrictions on alcohol and cigarettes because children still manage to get hold of some?

Yes they should all - remove the profit motivation and we will be in a very different - healthier - landscape.

Surely your body has not finished developing at 13? My breasts grew more age 14-15ish. My DD is a similar age and relatively small busted but genetics would suggest they are not settled in size yet!

I find it so hard to read posts etc about US states banning gender affirming surgery before age 18 as "an act of violence against trans people". Surely it's not anti trans to say "your brain and body are not ready for the impact of this yet"?

I agree with this. I don't think any doctor should be removing healthy body parts, be it breasts, genitals, arms, legs, fingers, whatever.

I remember there was a case of a tattooist/piercer who was successfully prosecuted for removing a man's ear, even though the man was a fully consenting adult. Why is this any different?

There was also a surgeon in Scotland who amputated healthy limbs of patients who requested it.

There's an interesting article about him here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

Behind a paywall, but available in the archives. I'll post an archive link in a separate post as MNHQ will need to 'have a look at it' and it might take a while to appear.