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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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PriamFarrl · 05/11/2023 12:44

CompleteGinasaur · 05/11/2023 12:10

Just about to move house. New house needs refurb, including extension for kitchen, new kitchen, bathroom and hardwood flooring for all of the ground floor, lighting, you get the idea. It just occurred to me that if I take advantage of their free design consultations (which aren't free to them at all, of course, they factor the cost into what you eventually buy) for the kitchen and bathroom and then send in a letter gushing about how much I loved their products and was rushing to the checkout with my credit card in my hand when I discovered their lesbophobic/misogynistic history.. Well, imagine my heartbreak when I had to spend £15k in B and Q instead...

Wickes kitchens are exactly the same as Benchmarx kitchen. Exactly the same. If you pick up both brochures you will find the pictures are identical. Benchmarx are much cheaper.

Tirling · 05/11/2023 13:16

PriamFarrl · 05/11/2023 12:44

Wickes kitchens are exactly the same as Benchmarx kitchen. Exactly the same. If you pick up both brochures you will find the pictures are identical. Benchmarx are much cheaper.

Benchmarx are owned by Travis Perkins who push the gender woo through 'TP Pride Month'

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CompleteGinasaur · 05/11/2023 13:19

Thanks, PriamFarrl, that's very useful information. To be honest, I wasn't ever fixed on Wickes or indeed any particular supplier just yet - I was just thinking about how to try to underline for them quite how dumb their virtue-signalling lazy posturing actually was. There are , after all, a lot of women spending their own £15ks out there and a good percentage of them know what a woman/lesbian is!

(DIY Kitchens look quite good so far, actually!)

SidewaysOtter · 05/11/2023 15:43

They failed in their bid to have the website taken down?

Oh dear, that’s a terrible shame, isn’t it? Grin

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2023 15:55

Wow, a gagging order on their own beleaguered customers? That’s “snake’s nipples” levels of low.

VoodooQualities · 09/11/2023 07:40

CompleteGinasaur · 05/11/2023 13:19

Thanks, PriamFarrl, that's very useful information. To be honest, I wasn't ever fixed on Wickes or indeed any particular supplier just yet - I was just thinking about how to try to underline for them quite how dumb their virtue-signalling lazy posturing actually was. There are , after all, a lot of women spending their own £15ks out there and a good percentage of them know what a woman/lesbian is!

(DIY Kitchens look quite good so far, actually!)

We got our kitchen from DIY Kitchens in 2014, couldn't be happier. Really high quality, our fitter commented how it was as good as anything he'd fitted before.

Feckedupbundle · 09/11/2023 07:55

Wow! Not only gagging orders,but gagging orders on an elderly person. Still, I bet that Wickes didn't misgender them and issued the gagging order on a Stonewall logoed letter, so that's the important thing here.

Froodwithatowel · 01/01/2024 15:24

Tirling · 05/11/2023 13:16

Benchmarx are owned by Travis Perkins who push the gender woo through 'TP Pride Month'

According to Stonewall, more than a third are known to hide that they are LGBT through fear of discrimination

Yeah trust me, if I'm anywhere in an organisation waving rainbows and Stonewall affiliations around I am hiding vigorously that I'm homosexual. It's scary enough coming out here and dealing with the homophobia and ugly behaviour of activists on MN never mind someone unhinged who I'd have to work alongside who could try and lose me my job for daring to not validate men with my body.

Yetmorebeanstocount · 01/01/2024 15:35

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/06/2023 16:57

Why do Wickes think that the trans market is what they ought to aim for?

This is what I don't get. How big is the trans market?

It is not about the trans market. It is about the male market.

I would be willing to bet that a good number of their male customers are, to a lesser or greater extent, misogynistic. Pandering to 'trans' issues signals to the men that this store doesn't give a shit about women, and will prioritise male trans people over women, which is absolutely fine by some male customers.

MarieDeGournay · 01/01/2024 16:14

Re-railing, rather than derailing, back to RS Components and their male/female products: I used to work in an electronics-ish job where we worked with components that fit into each other.
The supplier's catalogues listed these as 'plug' type or 'socket' type, and that's what they were officially called. The terms 'male' and 'female' were used informally, with lots of sniggering in my direction, by my male colleagues. I wonder when the male/female terminology gained prominence?

Brefugee · 02/01/2024 09:53

when i was in the Army back in the 80s it was common parlance. I've never known anything else, to be honest.

NecessaryScene · 02/01/2024 11:38

I don't think there's ever been any other terminology in common use, although there may have been some "feminist" muttering about it.

"Male" and "female" are not synonymous with "plug" and "socket". You can have all four combinations of male/female and plug/socket, even with one connector type. Often the gender (sex?) indicates input versus output, stopping you plugging together two inputs or two outputs. (Eg XLR audio connectors, or electric car type 2 connectors).

RS would absolutely need to use the terminology, or a substitute, as they'd be stocking all 4 combinations, and need to be absolutely clear.

Maybe in the job above there wasn't any ambiguity, and you only had one gender of each plug and each socket. (Eg mains "kettle" leads or USB type A/B, which use totally different connectors at each end, or USB type C which is physically symmetrical and deals with input versus output at a protocol level).

popebishop · 02/01/2024 12:28

I've seen families on kids YouTube videos call toy train track pieces "male/male" or "female/female" etc. I don't think there's anything dodgy intended at all!

Needmoresleep · 02/01/2024 17:50

Thank you for bumping this thread. Last week I needed to pick up some stuff for a bathroom I am having fitted. (I am a landlord and 2023 was the year of the bathrooms.) The builder suggested Wickes had the stuff in stock. I told him I refused to shop in Wickes, but then could not remember why. I felt like a numpty but principals are principals. Glad I can now explain.

SinnerBoy · 03/01/2024 06:42

MarieDeGournay · 01/01/2024 16:14

The terms 'male' and 'female' were used informally, with lots of sniggering in my direction, by my male colleagues. I wonder when the male/female terminology gained prominence?

It's been around forever and I'm sure that silly little boys have been sniggering about since then. I have female colleagues who use the term without breaking down in fits of giggles, when networking computers and GPS systems etc.

catsrus · 03/01/2024 08:04

SinnerBoy · 03/01/2024 06:42

MarieDeGournay · 01/01/2024 16:14

The terms 'male' and 'female' were used informally, with lots of sniggering in my direction, by my male colleagues. I wonder when the male/female terminology gained prominence?

It's been around forever and I'm sure that silly little boys have been sniggering about since then. I have female colleagues who use the term without breaking down in fits of giggles, when networking computers and GPS systems etc.

Indeed

I'm almost 70 and remember it being used back when I was in my 20's .....

AnonnyMouseDave · 03/01/2024 10:10

Yetmorebeanstocount · 01/01/2024 15:35

It is not about the trans market. It is about the male market.

I would be willing to bet that a good number of their male customers are, to a lesser or greater extent, misogynistic. Pandering to 'trans' issues signals to the men that this store doesn't give a shit about women, and will prioritise male trans people over women, which is absolutely fine by some male customers.

Maybe I am wrong, but I really don't think that the stereotypical male, not that bright, working class, sexist builder gives a flying fuck about the rights of (what they see as) men in dresses. Their sexism is not pure, plenty of room to hate on gay men and gender non-conforming men.

Froodwithatowel · 03/01/2024 10:39

Most men, men in my family included, who are not of the political affiliation that sees virtue signalling on set topics as crucial to their credentials and identity, just don't care about women or the lives of women. Not because they're unpleasant or intentionally uncaring, but because of the male privilege they're unaware of even possessing, that permits them the ability to see only things of direct relevance and impact upon them as worth engaging with and sparing thought for.

As a much loved male relative said to me, "but this doesn't affect me, does it?" Much as mother's day and the kids' homework etc doesn't affect him, but does considerably affect his wife.

When I pointed out the direct impact upon him by what his daughters would experience at school, his mother on a hospital ward or in nursing care at home, and his wife in her local gym, he got extremely angry and wrote to his MP. Sadly at this point it's largely because now it's about other men interfering with his property and he is directly aware of his skin in the game.

I can't imagine how lovely it must be to be able to exist in this way where what happens to other people just isn't your problem and you don't have to worry about it or have that mental load.

BabyStopCryin · 03/01/2024 11:16

I have a right on relative (oh the irony - he is from an incredibly posh family and my dad was involved in local Labour Party politics). He goes on about how he hates the tories, thinks Labour farts roses etc.

He was sooooo like that until he saw me reading an article about the gymnastics rule in England that meant that boys could compete against - and change with - little girls (his daughter had just taken up gymnastics). He still took her to flipping Pride though when she was 11…🙄

I’ll wait a while until I tell him that under his new friends his elderly mum won’t be able to be sure to get a woman helping her out with intimate healthcare…

Mochudubh · 03/01/2024 19:03

I had a temp job at RS back in the day, as part of a team proof-reading their CD catalogues. The catalogues were translated into various languages so the wording had to be fairly unequivocal and I'm pretty sure they used male/female (though this was about 20 years ago).

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