Can we have a Daily Mail apprection thread after this article?!

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11995903/The-new-face-extremism-unmasked-Republicans-watching-trantifa.html

Well done Reem Alaselem. Now the UN are on board.

And in the articles I've read they really do their research, as well, because they know that any inaccuracies will be jumped on.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain yes, I’ve read a few articles where I know more about the story, and the DM did a good job in reporting a complex subject to the general public, to the point I use one of their articles in a training session I run.

it doesn’t mean I approve of the side bar of shame, their celebrity reporting or their nationalist and frankly xenophobic tone in many articles. But I take the view that if I want to consider myself well informed, then I need to read a wide variety of publications. Surely anyone who “disapproves” of the DM would be equally aware of the history and biases of all mainstream newspapers and broadcasters, and thus takes a critical approach to any reporting they read/see? .

It's not that deeply unfeminist when they are the ONLY paper that is loudly talking about the ongoing erosion of womens rights, are they?

Which paper do you imagine is more feminist, right now?

Yes, I think this about covers my thoughts on many of the posts on this thread

I'll stick to appreciating the articles while not giving them any cookies.

Think the poster upthread (bernard, I think,)
had it pretty much spot on with the gender role train of thought.
It's not coming from a caring about women angle.

Think of it this way.

You're a vegan, you and everyone knows that means no meat products in anything you consume.
Now, suddenly there are trans vegans, they like to eat meat every day but still call themselves vegan.
You begin to object but keep getting shut down.
Every restaurant you go to now serves trans-vegan food, meaning there is meat in every dish.
You're confused because obviously that no longer means it's vegan. It seems like everyone has gone mad and words don't mean the same thing as they used to.
You lose your job for speaking up for vegans, you're banned from groups and online spaces for saying being vegan means you don't eat animal products.
You're called a Nazi for wanting to set up your own vegan restaurant which obviously wouldn't include animal products.
Your business is picketed and no media will print anything about it apart from a paper you've historically disliked like the DM.

Do you still think you'd hold all the same lines, or realise that getting the word out is more important?

DM the most hated news source on MN.
Yet still the most quoted for articles in support of women.

It’s obvious to most people that The Guardian are treacherous - they don’t have women’s backs at all around this issue. More fool us for believing in them.

The Mail, on the other hand has come up smelling of roses. More fool us for doubting them.

Am I really being asked, in this year of our Lord 2023, if I can think of any publication more feminist than the daily mail? I feel lost for words 😂If only the DM knew all along that all they had to do to deflect feminist criticism was be anti-trans!

In today's paper there is also a bit of a rant against 'Smart Meters'
Thoughtful comments on the recent prosecution of the mother who had the late abortion.
It highlights the problems with the Pensions Authority and with the Compensation procedures for cancelled flights.
A mix of the serious and philosophical and the practical delays we all face.
Oh! and details on 4 Race Meetings.

Yes, I'd hold the same lines. I would still hold that I would never, ever want to see a feminist appreciation thread about the Daily Mail, regardless of what issue, personally important to me, they decided to champion. They're a destructive presence in our society, in my opinion, with a dark, sickening history. One hot-button issue is not enough to warrant applause from feminists, or anyone.

@tattygrl yes, you were asked. So, what's your answer, please?

Yup.

Pretty much f*cking any of them? If I'm being asked to name a newspaper more feminist than the daily mail... I mean aside from the sun, there are many contenders for that accolade from me. Not hard.

Lovely, name one then, please.

"The Daily Mail doesn't hold back". Once again, seriously, you're granting them this inspiring tenacity so, so very easily. They DO hold back. They hold back on issues they don't think will get them views from their readership. They go hard on the issues they know will go down well with right wing twerps, and, on this ONE occasion, GC feminists. It didn't take bloody much, did it, for feminists to forget upskirting, dehumanising photos and comments on womens' bodies and columns from bigots, not to mention the literal Nazi sympathising history. Please stop viewing them as brave, pioneering "truth tellers". They HAPPEN to align with you on this one aspect of gender issues. That's it. Jfc I can't do this thread any more. Praise away, fairweather feminists.

Not just more feminist @tattygrl what newspaper is covering all the issues in regards to the gender indoctrination in schools, mutilisation of children, invasion of womens rights, sports & spaces.??
Which media outlet?

That's not what's happening here.

We agree - they happen to align with us on this one issue. We are pleased that sunlight is getting to these issues that we've been shouting into the void about for years.

This does not mean we suddenly like everything the DM has ever printed.

If it's not about overall support of the DM, why do they deserve a praise thread on a major feminism board?

And for the people demanding I name a publication that's more feminist than DM, just pick any out of a hat that isn't The Sun, or any I'm forgetting that do page three etc. I'm not getting into a thing of comparing the Guardian to the DM on trans issues, that wasn't my point. My point is that the DM talking about this one issue does NOT make them a feminist ally, when they have been, and still are, so desperately harmful to women for other reasons.

In terms of the massive safeguarding failure that is gender indoctrination in schools, the DM is good. And not only that, it's one of the few bringing these issues into the light. Far too many journalists from other sources are running scared and put their own self-preservation above children.

I'm not going to be shamed for reading a wide range of sources in order to make children safer. Sorry but the answer's a firm NO.

Shame on those who put political purity above the safety of our kids.

I'd be happy if there's another source for the story upthread about the teacher who was reported as a safeguarding risk for delivering a scientifically factual lesson on puberty.

@ClawedButler this is literally called the DM appreciation thread and it’s a sorry read.

it didn't take bloody much, did it, for feminists to forget upskirting, dehumanising photos and comments on women's bodies and columns
Yep
It's also not the thread for you apparently if you point any of that out, and also the DM are for women despite all that.
It's not about care for women at all.

Thank you. Idk about you, Lady, but I'm off. I think the DM fans want to get started on the party they're throwing for the newspaper that promoted upskirting, creates headlines about female politician's bodies and outfits, and was supportive of the Nazi party. Fair fucks to them, I'm only sorry the DM got them on side so bloody easily.

Exactly

But as a woman & a parent this is the single biggest issue that reasonates with me. It is the issue I care deepest about. It will completely influence me vote, influence what companies I'll spend my money on & what I steer my young children to.

So the DM is actively reporting on the issues I care about & they are the only ones who are publishing at the level I want.