Elon Musk's latest tweet tonight! Delighted he's advocating for children. They need a powerful voice speaking out on their behalf. Pendulum is swinging!

[Moonandstarz]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667982248614739970?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

His first wife lost a child to SIDS. She wanted 4 children but IVF doesnt always work that way.

Despite their messy divorce she has said "But I will always respect the brilliant and visionary person that he is."

Unlike the (autistic?) people rubbishing him she understands people are complex. He can certainly be a dick at times but nothing unusual in that.

Just on that first sentence. They both lost their first child. Elon has quite recently described how his eldest son died in his arms. I don't think it's unusual at all that following that, they pursued two pregnancies quite quickly. It's also not unusual that he has gone on to have more children following his marriage. My only criticism of Elon in terms of the amount of children he has, would be the use of a surrogate for his daughter with Grimes. Odds are, this was a particularly well paid surrogate, but even still, it is a murky business.

I also have more empathy with Justine than I do for most mothers who whole-heartedly endorse their child pursuing gender transition. Experiencing the loss of a child would make you much more susceptible to emotional manipulation inherent in; 'Would you rather have a living daughter or a dead son?'

I've read her statements on their marriage before and I believe he was what most women would consider a terrible husband due mainly to his extreme workaholism. And also what I expect is a lack of willingness to compromise in a marriage. But I don't think he's an inherently bad guy because he makes a shitty life partner.

I haven’t seen much of what his first wife has said but his second wife (the British actress who was in St Trinians) gave quite a detailed interview in the documentary about him and what she said sounds very similar. It was also clear that she was still very fond of him. She gave the impression that she didn’t consider him a jerk but just found him very hard to live with.

You'll be able to afford one soon as Inchcape and the other big dealerships are introducing lease finance on the new mass market model. the UK Govt is going to do the same for disabled blue badge holders which is how my DH is going to be able to afford one :-)

I don;t care what Elon said about the Thai diver guy. Aneurin Bevan, Labour Minister, was vocal in his early support for Hitler and Mosley, but I still admire him for founding the NHS, and I mentally doff my cap to his statue in my hometown in South Wales.

People can be right someones and wrong sometimes. Just because someone has said or thought something wrong at one point in their lives, doesn't mean they aren't right about something else. You seem to be trying to communicate to me that you have a well paid job, so I presume you are university educated. In which case, you really ought to know this already. Either you do know this, and are pretending not to for the sake of argument, which is a pathetic and disingenuous move, or you honestly think that someone being wrong on one subject means that they are wrong about everything else, in which case your expensive education failed you and you really shouldn't have that good job.

Elon is right about trans kids.

@potniatheron "You seem to be trying to communicate to me " this is just the best put down I have seen for a while and made me laugh, thank you I shall be stealing it! 😅

And fab post too. Am sick of the purity spiral nonsense that passes for debate on this forum at time. Oh someone said/believes one thing that i don't agree with therefore it negates everything else that persons says does thinks etc it's just puerile

Aneurin Bevan, Labour Minister, was vocal in his early support for Hitler and Mosley

I agree that when Bevan was a new MP, he was briefly attracted to Mosley's arguments, when the latter was Labour MP for Smethwick. Bevan did write a letter to the government on behalf of the Mosley group, about its "failure to deal with unemployment". When Mosley quite the Labour Party in early 1931 to form the New Party, Bevan refused to join him. By 1932, Mosley's New Party had migrated from the left over to the far-right of British politics and became the British Union of Fascists. Bevan's past association with Mosley would be used against him in subsequent years by his political rivals. During the 1930s, Bevan was a staunch anti-fascist and anti-Nazi. I do not know of any occasion when Bevan voiced support for Hitler or the Nazis.

It’s always the person who Godwins the thread that is losing the argument, every single time.

Elon is doing great things in letting us hear opposing viewpoints, something the old Twitter never did, and he’s right about protecting kids from mutilation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11995903/The-new-face-extremism-unmasked-Republicans-watching-trantifa.html

The United Nations Reem Alselem has also spoked out against TRA behaviour & has coined a new label "TRANTIFA"
We need more powerful, influential figures like Elon & Reem advocating for us women.

Keep trying with the DM stuff - there must be half a dozen idiots who'll copy you on here.

https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/1668672390983761933?cxt=HHwWmoC28dqsqKguAAAA

Like this one @PrincessPalatine???

@55balloons

Like this one???

Yes. Exactly.

@PrincessPalatine glad we agree on something 👍

That's not an 'idiot', that's someone speaking out for trans rights and against gender fascism, as far as I can see.

Playing the man instead of the ball again @PrincessPalatine, maybe try sticking to the point in debate rather than attacking the medium/messenger

"Gender fascism", eh?

Is that what the defence of women's and children's rights and safety is to some people?

Right-o.

I see someone has blown the ‘fascist’ whistle

ace

@PrincessPalatine
Well you said "half a dozen idiots"
I replied "like this one"? with a link to a tweet
You said "yes exactly"
I replied "glad we agree on something"!

How am I in the wrong here. You were agreeing with me when I provided an example of what you called "half a dozen idiots"!!!!

@Moonandstarz well played 😉

What is 'gender fascism' and why do you believe that children who identify as transgender should be sterilised?

potniatheron · Today 09:08

Oh, I'm delighted that he's allowed Twitter users to discuss trans extremists - but he's still an objectionable arse!

Nobody is perfect 🤷‍♀️

"I agree that when Bevan was a new MP, he was briefly attracted to Mosley's arguments"

Good God, the arrogance! So you 'agree' that something which happened, did in fact happen. The past is fact. It's not waiting for you to condescend to 'agree' to it. LOL.

"When Mosley quit the Labour Party in early 1931 to form the New Party, Bevan refused to join him. By 1932, Mosley's New Party had migrated from the left over to the far-right of British politics and became the British Union of Fascists. Bevan's past association with Mosley would be used against him in subsequent years by his political rivals. During the 1930s, Bevan was a staunch anti-fascist and anti-Nazi. I do not know of any occasion when Bevan voiced support for Hitler or the Nazis."

Congratulations. You have successfully demonstrated that you can copy-paste a section from Wikipedia's entry on Nye Bevan. For your next trick, how about cracking the spine of a book? I would highly recommend "Nye" by Thomas-Symonds, which has a very well researched section on the early support many Labour ministers voiced for Hitler's employment policies. Because, of course, the Nazis were the National Socialist party. Please don't make the rookie mistake of assuming that Nazism was a predominantly right wing ideology: it adopted many far well established elements of Left Wing thought, including improved workers rights and job creation, heavy pressure and taxation on large corporations, eugenics, and, of course, rabid anti-semitism.

As recently as 2019, Rebecca Long Bailey was calling for a national socialism, which she called 'patriotic socialism'. The most authoritarian impulses live on the Left.

I was deleted for saying the national party were a nationalist left party not right. Authoritarianism almost always comes from the left because they believe they are morally right and very subject to group think.
Generally centre and right parties are more pragmatic and realistic.

The nazi party