Elon Musk's latest tweet tonight! Delighted he's advocating for children. They need a powerful voice speaking out on their behalf. Pendulum is swinging!

[Moonandstarz]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667982248614739970?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Ideals always let you down.

Like maps and a compass 'let you down' when you're lost in a jungle?

orban

Exactly. And more & more mainstream media outlets are now also challenging the TRA narrative.
I'm sure many more media outlets will now follow Elon's lead & also start reporting the facts.
Pride has been so muted this month, it's barely registering. As I said on another thread Father's Day has been very heavily marketed this year in place of pride. Father's day was barely noticeable in the high street in recent years due to the sea of rainbows. Not this year! Even our local barbers has signs up for fathers day vouchers, not a rainbow flag in sight.

Not really!

Ideals are based on utopian thinking of one sort or another and are therefore not grounded in reality. Idealists spend a lot of time feeling very angry because the world never seems to conform to their desires or the way they think it should be.

That's because we're not discussing Putin and Orban on this thread.

Do you agree with him that sterilising children is wrong?

Furthermore leftist idealists tend to flout many of their own ideals of behaviour - that of kindness, non judgementalism and so on - to the extent that they become quite extreme in their autocracy, dismissal and refusal to countenece alternative points of view.

The traditional British left has now merged with the American identitarian and individualistic culture - which for many of us is very alienating and seems like an act of cultural conialism.

Handy way to change the conversation buy the place loads if people are on

Glad there’s someone with very high exposure and impact behind this

So does agreeing with someone's tweet mean you are shilling for them now?

Oh, and I'm politically homeless. Just in case that needs clarifying.

Politically homeless too. Although I do read the Morning Star up to the free limit online.

I mean I’ll read anything, to get a broad flavour of what the media are up to. The variations in reporting on one single event can be eye-opening. Often the Guardian comes across as the most inaccurate and batshit these days, since its Californication. There’s a ‘disinformation editor’ for example at the Guardian who keeps getting things wrong.

googling Musk and Putin all I came up with was him offering to fight Putin for it - something he obviously could not deliver. Didnt find anything for Orban. Doesnt sound like support so I need details.

Someone who is against the sterilisation of gender non conforming children has some good sense. Since I'm not a child I can value good sense when I see it without having to see that person as perfect.

The left used to be liberal not autocratic

Now we see violence, abuse and threats to those who don’t subscribe

Musk shills ? 😂
Come on - you can do better than that. You must have some views about what's happening to children? About the erasure of the language & rights of women?
Many of us on here were card carrying labour party members, guardian reading, second wavers. As this ideology crept up we watched in horror at the silencing of all critical thought about the impact on women's rights and - as Musk was talking about - the safety of children. What are your thoughts - tell us if you think he's wrong?

Well said @anyolddinosaur the mutilation, sterilisation & pumping children up with irreversible hormones needs to stop immediately. The horrendous surgeries being performed on these children is chilling.
We could not get a more poweful advocate than Elon.

Elon musk is revered by younger people, especially Chinese. I know that because I mark business papers and probably 30% of students or more at times write about Tesla and Elon by their own choice.

Revered by the younger generation, really? My teenagers think he is a hilarious joke. I have much more time for him than they do!

I do agree that one person having this much power is a bad thing and he is a loose cannon, but some of his values such as being pro scientific truth and pro free speech are ones I share.

As for him being pro Putin, he has given a lot of help to Ukraine for someone on Putin’s side.

Twitter is far more full of pro Russian posts than it was before Elon took over but that is the down side of free speech. And nonetheless it has been better at taking down actual violent threats against women than under the old regime. I think he is trying to be consistent.

Musk is also aware of global audiences and who is going to matter most from a business perspective in the future. And it's not us.

I think that's meant to be a condescending nah nah naah burn @Moonandstarz?
CAPIULATE NOW! Or you'll get sneeryness head tilting! 😆
Showing my age but reminds me of Fast Show, sketch "I am considerably better than you!'

This really is a predictable script.

I can only assume a person who writes “Thanks for clarifying where you are politically” has a very limited reading selection. I find that increasingly the people who shun whole sections of mainstream media or refuse to read anything outside their limited selection are proud of their limitations.

Some people have the ability to read a very wide range of media and use their very own critical thinking ability to work out if and where an article has merit. I am sure people like Julie Bindel who writes for the Daily Mail was rather left leaning and very knowledgeable concerning the topics she writes are happy with the wide audience they get. Are you Palatine declaring that you are so prejudiced that you wouldn’t read a Julie Bindel article on sex trafficked women because it was in the Daily Mail? Really?

Elon Musk is a smart man. He made electric cars affordable and available to the masses much more quickly than any of the big OEMs. He's right on free speech. He was right about Twitter. And goddammit if he's not right about sterilising children too.

Gotta love the guy.

As for @PrincessPalatine , your liberal use of whataboutism, a derivative of tu quoque, is disingenuous and a bit pathetic. You're oh so tewwibly outraged about Musk's alleged support for Putin (which isn't true btw) but openly boast that you were a member of the Labour Party during the corbyn years, when Corbyn's support for anti-Semites, Islamist terrorists, and Putin's Russia presumably bothered you not one whit, because you are complacent in your self-image as 'one of the good ones'.

Overly privileged middle class progressives bore me every. damn. time with their total predictability.

Yep.

The snide remarks about media sources is predictable though.

There are very snide comments about the above media sources on Twitter also. It's not to the liking of some as @PrincessPalatine has proved with her comments.
Any media source that is covering the TRAs complete encroachment of women's spaces (like the bearded guy sueing to gain access to the women only nude spa) & the mutilation of children needs to be commended & supported.

The problem is as has been shown consistently the media on the left are fully signed up to gender ideology

Quite the list there

Care to be more specific with links.

I'm not being snidely, I genuinely have no idea here

@SunnyEgg absolutely but for how long more, it's all about the bottom line. If they are losing readership they will need to report to the masses. It is not progressive for media outlets to be pushing trans ideologies, it's the very opposite. Why let men dominate female only spaces & roles dragging the nation backwards.

What's "4-chan Clark Griswold stuff"? A virtual trip to Wally World?