Another TRA making violent threats

[DerekFaker]

I wonder if this person will be subjected to the same treatment as Caroline Farrow?

Let's wait and see!

Yuh-huh!

Well done, you have managed to completely miss the point.
What is being highlighted here is how violent men who identify as Trans are being treated compared to non violent women who merely try and promote reality and enforce boundaries

But it’s the cultural changes, like forcing people to change their language and display pronouns as a sign of adherence, that is ending up with situations where a judge thinks it’s sensible to allow a violent offender back on the streets simply because of a self-declared trans status.

The POINT Is that we can't tell which men will be violent and it's being a man (XY) that's the risk factor so that's why we don't want transwomen in our spaces or our daughters spaces.

The fact that it's predominantly men that commit violent sex crimes is why we want SINGLE SEX SPACES. With NO males in there whatever they're wearing or however they feel inside.

Given the fact that the % of transwomen in prison, convicted of sexual assault, is higher than for the rest of the male prison population it's suggestive that violent, predatory men already know that saying they're trans is a way to offend more easily and have an easier time once convicted (or a lesser sentence in this case). See also, Dolatowski, Bryson, White etc etc

SinnerBoy

The word 'victim' was used in the context of the sentence. ie if they continue with the threats......

The 'guy trying to silence Caroline' - as i have said quite a few times, we don't know if it is the same person on this occasion. So I have referred the them as a reporting person. We also don't know what the allegation is.

If people are on the end of disturbing threats - then they will be a victim of that threat. If they contact police, they will be a 'reporting person' to that inquiry.

And when we tried to have this argument, repeatedly over years, we were told 'oh, this never happens' so having very clear examples of where it DOES and HAS happened: Le Fey, Dolatowski, Bryson, White, and the rest (many others also) is what we've been forced to do because no one would accept women just wanting single sex spaces as a legitimate point of view without a load of examples.

Because despite it all being about self ID for men and their lived experience, we women aren't seen as fully human and just saying we want the privacy, dignity and safety of a single sex space isn't enough.

So here we are.

CAN WE NOT DO THIS WITH PC PLUM AGAIN? THANK YOU XXX

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Given the fact that the % of transwomen in prison, convicted of sexual assault, is higher than for the rest of the male prison population.....

Where are your figures for this?

The vast majority of males in prison will not identify as trans

And the last threatening tweet was yesterday.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4732695-tw-are-5-times-more-likely-than-other-men-to-commit-sexual-offences

You can also find the statistics on the Sex Matters website and Keep Prisons Single Sex website.

Why do you think Le Fey, a convicted criminal (convicted for violence with a claw hammer), is not being treated in the same way as Caroline Farrow?

So this guy, making violent threats, actually has convictions for violent acts? He's not just talking the talk.

That Judge was a coward. It's his job, he should have jailed this man. It, to him, was a difficult choice and he bottled it.

Well, he's not scary at all.

My advice would be to NOT engage with felix125. It will get you nothing but acute frustration.

Said so much better than my attempt. 😀

And this is hugely important.

I have found a few posters lately who have used this ‘you only talk about extreme trans cases or LGBT organisations when you discuss safeguarding.’ Every time this silencing tactic, and it is a silencing tactic, is used it missed the point. A group that is untouchable in discussion is being forced. No safeguarding process should allow that at all. And yet, here we are.

Would we be discussing any old male who was not jailed because the judge couldn’t decide which prison to send them, and who was out there threatening women online? Fucking oath we would. Why should this male perpetrator be treated any differently?

No untouchable group! It is a very dangerous tactic.

My advice would be:

Engage with who you want to engage with. Don't let others dictate who you can or can't engage with. Its a chat forum and its your choice what you post and who you post to.

So the same police force that deals with Caroline will also deal with this guy?

Will be interesting to see how it pans out

Oh @Boiledbeetle I hadn't noticed that. How interesting 🍿

Indeed.

Shan't hold my breath!

Isn't it!

What the fuck? This is your actual response to those messages?

A man publically threatens to violently disembowel women and you are here scolding us for talking about it? JFC. I am genuinely stunned.

Okay, well if we come across as bullies and aren’t making our points about women’s rights heard, then you might as well leave us to it so we can drive everyone away.

You must be glad that you can be certain that we won’t be changing anyone’s mind.

And of course if you want to promote women’s rights, then you should probably go to another site which isn’t filled with bigots and bullies, as you’re unlikely to change the minds of such a group.

Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake, remember? Leave us to it. We’ll take it from here.

Funny, I don't remember anyone on Mumsnet issuing violent threats, or anyone in the GC movement being charged in court with menacing people with a hammer in supermarkets.

I'm suddenly wondering if I'm right. Is Caroline Sussex or Surrey?

My bad, Caroline is Surrey. This guy is Sussex!

All these S places with double letters are the same to me!

goes off to look at a map.