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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TW are 5 times more likely than other men to commit sexual offences

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Geiger · 31/01/2023 16:49

...and other headlines from Sex Matters'analysis of the 2021 census.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

"Key points:
The census suggests the trans population is significantly smaller than Stonewall’s previous estimates.

The questions and guidance designed by the ONS have not succeeded in giving reliable information on either the sex of trans-identified people or their overall number.

The trans population appear to be strongly resistant to requirements of honesty about their sex, even when that is legally required and the information is treated confidentially.

Young women are identifying as transgender at a higher rate than women in previous generations, and than the general population.

Males who identify as trans are five times more likely than other males to be imprisoned for sexual offences.

Those declaring a transgender identity are less likely than the general population to be victims of murder."

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HagoftheNorth · 31/01/2023 17:40

See, most marginalised and…. what was it again?

AtrociousCircumstance · 31/01/2023 17:41

Wow. The truth needs to be blasted out there right now.

Crikeyisthatthetime · 31/01/2023 17:43

I'd like to know what percentage of offenders realise they are transgender only once they've been caught.

xJoyPeaceHealthx · 31/01/2023 17:47

I agree,
This truth needs to be highlighted

WarriorN · 31/01/2023 17:51

Good to hear they're the least vulnerable to murder! That's positive for the trans community isn't it?! 👏

RPMcMurphy · 31/01/2023 17:59

Crikeyisthatthetime · 31/01/2023 17:43

I'd like to know what percentage of offenders realise they are transgender only once they've been caught.

Indeed. Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria is becoming remarkably common.

DuckDuckNo · 31/01/2023 19:01

Also, if I am allowed to say this apropos of nothing:
paraphilias tend to cluster.

Geiger · 31/01/2023 19:25

Another interesting point in the article is that not only were the numbers of people declaring themselves trans on the census much smaller than Stonewall says, it seems that a fair percentage of those might have actually been people who misunderstood the question as English wasn't their first language.

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PermanentTemporary · 31/01/2023 19:38

The age data are fascinating.

It shows a relatively stable proportion of transwomen across the age groups, and a hugely skewed proportion of young women and adolescent females compared to other age groups.

I mean, we knew this already, but I'll say it again. There are big sex-based differences in when, why and how people come to identify as trans, and lumping men and women together as 'trans folx' only ensures that planning and policy will be incredibly inappropriate for both.

To have changed from almost no women identifying as trans to an adolescent surge resulting in equal M/F figures is extraordinary.

thedankness · 31/01/2023 19:43

Well duh. Reasons:

  1. It's hardly shocking that sexual perversions and sex offences are linked. As PP pointed out, paraphilias cluster. Alongside autogynephilia we've seen at the least voyeurism, and reference to paedophilia and sadomasochism by trans-identifying men in the media.
  2. The motivations of any man wanting to access female only spaces ?HELLO THAT'S A PREDATOR why is it so hard for people to admit?
  3. The entitlement of men thinking they can access female only spaces - what else will that male entitlement lead to??
  4. The fact that there is no objective difference between "genuine trans" and a man exploiting a loophole.

I'm so glad that the media is all over the Scottish prisons scandal but it's still irritating me that we still can't spell out the truth that yes, actually, there's reasons to suggest "transwomen" are more likely than men to commit sexual offences against women and the statistics back it up. No men in women's spaces, and trans-identifying men may be even more of a risk. Enough is enough.

Geiger · 31/01/2023 19:49

@thedankness bloody right. But this is just neutral reporting of stats, they are not commenting on the reasons even though they know fine well what those reasons might be.

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 31/01/2023 20:27

Fascinating but at the same time, well duh.

But very useful to have the official census data for use with MPs and the like.

Truthlikeness · 31/01/2023 20:34

WarriorN · 31/01/2023 17:51

Good to hear they're the least vulnerable to murder! That's positive for the trans community isn't it?! 👏

Indeed. I look forward to Pink News celebrating this finding. It must be a huge relief for trans people.

MalagaNights · 31/01/2023 20:58

This needs reporting widely.

In interviews I hear a lot now 'all men are a potential risk to women we are not targeting trans women '.

But we need to start to say: Trans women are statistically more likely to pose a threat to women than the general male population.

Let's stop pretending trans women who want access to women's spaces are just the same as regular men.

They're not. They are more likely to be predatory and the reasons are obvious.

BlueBooh · 31/01/2023 20:59

DAILY MAIL where are yoooooo??

That's a headline if ever I saw one!

BlueBooh · 31/01/2023 21:01

But we need to start to say: but transwomen men dressed as women are statistically more likely to pose a threat to women than the general male population.

There fixed it!

NewBootsAndRanty · 31/01/2023 21:01

Is it only counting people imprisoned ? Or convicted as well?

Sazzasez · 31/01/2023 21:20

NewBootsAndRanty · 31/01/2023 21:01

Is it only counting people imprisoned ? Or convicted as well?

People imprisoned at the time of the census.

Doesn’t include non-custodial sentences or those whose sentence has expired but are on the sex offenders register.

NewBootsAndRanty · 31/01/2023 21:42

Thanks for clarifying!

Bonheurdupasse · 31/01/2023 21:48

Thank you for posting this OP.

FrancescaContini · 31/01/2023 21:56

Janice, where are you? Ciaran? Justin? Suzanne?

FrancescaContini · 31/01/2023 21:57

Geiger · 31/01/2023 19:25

Another interesting point in the article is that not only were the numbers of people declaring themselves trans on the census much smaller than Stonewall says, it seems that a fair percentage of those might have actually been people who misunderstood the question as English wasn't their first language.

😳

pattihews · 31/01/2023 22:11

I wish I was surprised.

On the figures for trans, I've been told by an acquaintance that her TRA daughter and daughter's friends, who live together in a house share, all ticked that they were transgender to show solidarity with the most marginalised.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 23:25

Geiger · 31/01/2023 19:25

Another interesting point in the article is that not only were the numbers of people declaring themselves trans on the census much smaller than Stonewall says, it seems that a fair percentage of those might have actually been people who misunderstood the question as English wasn't their first language.

To be fair i don't think English was the first language of the Question either

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 23:26

MalagaNights · 31/01/2023 20:58

This needs reporting widely.

In interviews I hear a lot now 'all men are a potential risk to women we are not targeting trans women '.

But we need to start to say: Trans women are statistically more likely to pose a threat to women than the general male population.

Let's stop pretending trans women who want access to women's spaces are just the same as regular men.

They're not. They are more likely to be predatory and the reasons are obvious.

This is the bit they keep shouting at us for.they are trying to drown us out so No one hears us say this.

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