Another TRA making violent threats

[DerekFaker]

I wonder if this person will be subjected to the same treatment as Caroline Farrow?

Let's wait and see!

It's this person.

No doubt they feel untouchable thanks to that Judge.

"Transgender woman is spared six months in jail for threatening man with a claw hammer in Budgens because judge says he does not know whether to send her to a male or female prison."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050985/Transgender-woman-spared-jail-attacking-man-claw-hammer.html

They've even handily indicated where they live so the Sussex police should be on it, I hope.... (waits for tumbleweed to blow past....)

What the actual fuck? So 'trans' really is a get out of jail free card.

Roll up, roll up you criminals, here's an easy way to avoid jail. Next they'll just self ID as innocent.

I feel very sorry for the victim of this person's crime, they just won't feel safe after that farce of justice.

And surely there should be some consequence for judges who do this? Justice is only for some, seemingly.

He's clearly a very disturbed, violent man who isn't going to change without some kind of intervention.

Those posts are beyond horrendous. Surely breaking a law?

There are horrible people in every section of society. There are awful trans women, there are awful people on mumsnet, there are awful gender critical people.
Stop using the extremes of human behaviour as an excuse to bully trans people as a group (I see it here all the time).
Stick to core of your beliefs and focus on what matters (women only spaces / women only sports / legally what makes a woman).
Please can everyone here STOP with the stuff that you just personally find offensive as you're losing the argument when people body shame Sam Smith, or have a problem with drag (no, it is NOT the same as blackface, stop pretending it is), having a problem with pride. The amount of positives that come from pride far, far outweigh the negatives (especially for young people trying to find acceptance).
Being 'offended' by something - just because it makes you uncomfortable (such as someone's lifestyle or how they look) isn't important.
Protecting women's female only spaces is important.
Focus mumsnet, focus! You're losing the room.
(And for those so say things like 'the tide is turning' --- no it's not, only for the far right and daily mail readers. It's not exactly winning the argument is it).

bluemoonswoon

Or you could support people in their opinions and actual debate what is going on.

Stick to core of your beliefs and focus on what matters (women only spaces / women only sports / legally what makes a woman).

So when someone sends violent threats to GC campaigners, we should stay silent?

You might've had a point with Sam Smith and all that, but this was the wrong thread to make that argument, because you've just become an apologist for violence.

Ignoring the derail attempt.

The repeated online death threats against women from that convicted (but not imprisoned) violent offender must surely breach the law. It will be interesting to see how any police action (if there is any) against that individual, or to protect the women being threatened, compares to the police handling of other cases discussed on here.

Whilst there ARE awful people in all groups and that's not a justification for slandering a whole group, that's not what's going on here. We're comparing the response to these specific threats by a convicted criminal by the authorities to that to e.g. Kellie Jay Keen (who is being directly threatened here) who was visited by police for being 'untoward about paedophiles'.

Also it's 98% of males that commit violent crime so knowing a person's sex is relevant here.

This man got out of jail time for an actual crime for which he was found guilty by virtue of being trans. Where are the trans people saying 'not in our name'?

There are actually a few who are saying the exact same thing as us, Miranda Yardley being one.

I've got nothing against any trans people like Miranda, he seems a very decent sort of person and treats women with equal respect.

98% males who commit violent crime (don't know where the 'of' came from)

bluemoonswoon, have you reported the examples of “bullying” to MN? The moderators will remove them.
I seem to have missed these posts - when did any Mumsnetter threaten trans people with a claw hammer, threaten to rip their eyes out or carve them up?

Yes, also, never seen anything equivalent in terms of violent threats from any GC woman to anyone on twitter. Never. Receipts or it didn't happen.

Are the police imposing an order on this man to monitor all his devices, like they want to do to Caroline Farrow? If not, why not, these threats were from March.

The point is, a particular group of awful people appear to have gained protection from the expected consequences of awfulness by saying some magic words.

You must realise there is something wrong if a violent thug is spared prison because of this magical cloak.

The thing is - violence against women is a serious problem. Which you are all rightly aware of. This man in the post should be reported to the police (not just reporting the post on social media).
My point is though - there are loads of men making violent and rape threats all over social media. The way that mumsnet users just seem to focus in on the ones by trans women along with the threads that I mentioned earlier (about Sam smith as an example) will make many people think that your problem is will all trans women.
But in fact, your problem is with violent men.

This person is disturbed and dangerous and needs a visit from the police. If police can storm into a woman’s home for misgendering someone online, but fail to act on gruesome and terrifying death threats, then clearly something has gone very wrong.

The trans community needs to call out this bat-shittery....until this happens they will be essentially condoning the behaviour.

The fact is this unpleasant trans-woman's statement is just that, a statement from a deeply unpleasant person. Until it is condemned and there are calls for prosecution in the same manner as (say) Caroline Farrow, it will be taken that their behaviour is condoned by the trans community.

I thought it was bloody obvious what the point of this thread was, but thanks to all who understood and explained x

The police did act against this person - that's why they were charged to court with the offence.

If they continue with threats, then that 'victim'needs to contact police and start an enquiry off to get them back to the court.

...and i get that the real issue is that intersection between trans women who are also violent. BUT when you blur that very, very serious problem with posts from mumsnet users being overly 'offended' by drag, or pride, or pronouns etc etc (and there are many posts on here that can be really mean) really damages your argument and distracts from the real problem.
You come across as bullies rather than wanting to protect women's rights.

Go and say that on one of those threads then and stop derailing this one!

That was for an earlier threat against a man in a shop. See the article in my second post.

And of course the people threatened have reported him to the police.

Felix125 · Today 09:55

If they continue with threats, then that 'victim'needs to contact police and start an enquiry off to get them back to the court.

Ah, OK. The guy trying to silence Caroline Farrow is a victim, but the women on the receiving end of what are obviously extremely disturbing threats only merit 'victim' status.

And you wonder why people rip your posts to pieces.

It’s correct that a violent offender transwoman making death threats against women who are standing up for women’s rights is “a real issue”.

The only poster “blurring” that issue with mention of Pride, drag, and Sam Smith on this thread is the latest derailer, bluemoonswoon.