Update from CF

[DerekFaker]

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

As we would say in Scotland it's a double-dunter.

The first dunt is misogynistic TRA pushback against women speaking their mind. The second dunt is authoritarian and anti-democratic laws and police powers, which are (we are always told) necessary to prevent vital parts of the state and civil infrastructure, and lives.

Not shit-talk on the internet.

Yes I know.

I am ponting out to those who say she is Anti LGB that her best friend is a lesbian. To show that maybe, just maybe, the things that are said aren't actually true.

So? I had two bisexual women as friends, it was only spoken about once with each, we did not have bedroom talk discussion, they were more than their bedroom activity. You sound like you don't want them to be friends.

Huh? You okay pal?

Alison is merely pointing out that someone who has an openly gay best friends is not likely to be homophobic and that comments as to Caroline being anti LGB are unlikely to be based in fact.

For clarification, I speak to Caroline most days and have never seen her say anything derogatory about gay people. Our concerns, and indeed those of most in this thread it seems, are that abusive individuals and captured organisations are couching oppressive and alarming behaviour behind the homophobia and transphobia labels.

My understanding, from someone at the court, is that the hearing has now been adjourned for two weeks since the bench were unimpressed at not having been sent Caroline's submissions by the police. My view is that Surrey were trying to smuggle this through hoping she wouldn't be able to defend herself. As it is, her counsel now have the standard 14 days to respond.

I'll await confirmation from Caroline herself.

It's process as punishment, it really is.

So should these orders not be considered, DVPO's etc?

And if we are to consider putting them in place - when should they be applied for?

Thanks for the update@DrLouiseJMoody . I hope she's doing OK

DrLouiseJMoody

It sounds like the police have presented their submissions to the court, but they have been apposed by Caroline's defence team. So the court have adjourned to allow them to gather and present their evidence.

Its a bit like the early hearing.

DVPO's follow a similar process. Sometimes the 'defendant' is happy to accept it - in which case the order is imposed there and then. Other times the 'defendant' raises a defence and the hearing is adjourned.

Didn’t the police try to do something similar to Marion Millar? Only telling her the “other charges” 10 minutes before they were due in court.

Makes you wonder if it is incompetence or conspiracy.

From a pinned post on a publicly viewable twitter account it seems that Caroline is still facing another separate court case from Vex. A. Tious . It is unrelenting….

Yes, the appearance to me is that Surrey Police are drag-assing this process as long as possible and giving CF as little chance as possible to defend herself against what must be quite serious allegations.

The order being applied for is intended to protect individuals from serious harm, and any reasonable person would support those orders being used to do that.

They are not intended, purely for example, for giant crybully man-babies to use their police connections to harass someone they think has been insulting them on the interwebs.

Such a situation, should it occur, would cast the police in a very poor light, and only undermine the real victims of serious crime who need such protections.

Those Anglican priests and TV personalities are male. And already showed clear evidence of narcissistic behaviour.

CF does not. And is not male.

There was woman who was a prolific online troll. I'll have to look up the details. I don't recall her causing physical harm to anyone. Also, As I remember it, there wasn't much else in her life so she had time to kill. I don't imagine CF does.

pickledandpuzzled

I'm not suggesting that CF falls into any of these categories
What I am saying is - we can't assume anything.

We can't assume that just because a person is female and associated with a church that they can't be violent or a threat to someone.

We don't know what the allegation is yet that this case is centred on.

Has there been any update from court today? Freedom of speech and thought is too important for this to pass under the radar.

Thankyou for the update Dr Moody, much appreciated.

We can't assume that just because a person is female and associated with a church that they can't be a mass-murdering terrorist with a basement full of Sarin gas and who is secretly married to Kim Jong Il and Vladimir Putin.
FFS

And naturally I cannot be an officer and also disgusted at this? I've already said up thread that it's long past time to clear this out and that is what is happening.

sorry to say @reluctantadmissions (because i was a woman in uniform, a different one to yours but the male behaviour was sometimes similar) that if you are not now flagging up every single dubious whatsapp comment in a group you're in, every comment when you are with colleagues on or off duty, etc etc, you are part of the problem.

We are beyond us having to hear, after the fact, that you lot just let it all slide. You are being held to higher standards than the general public. I know offices on and offline who are bleating about how unfair that is. But it is fair. You hold a position in society that REQUIRES those standards to be higher. And for you all to adhere to them at all times. And not allow your fellow officers to fall short.

😳so sorry!

The text I quoted was from the fundraiser page hosted by CF's employer, CitizenGO. Mumsnet policy prohibits linking to fundraisers so I can't just drop a link in and tell you to read it yourself.

The fundraiser page said "and to expand our crusade against the dark forces of abortion on demand, gender ideology and sickening LGBTQ perversion of children" as one of the purposes of the donation.

I don't believe that I've accused CF of sharing her employer's views.

I agree with PPs that the denial of legal crowdfunding through the usual platforms is appalling. I agree with PPs that the right to free speech includes the speech that I don't like. And I absolutely believe that in this case, the legal system is being abused as a tool of persecution.

Thank you Dr Moody for pursuing a ring-fenced funding option.

just stop it. Use your brain. Think about all the things we have said in this thread and others.

Women who are being clearly abused (mentally and physically) by a partner, with documented abuse going on for ages can't get help from the plod. But a load of TRAs with hurty feels use the process to punish women they don't want to have a voice.

What is it, exactly, you think we have been banging our heads against a brick wall trying to communicate to you for months and months and post after post after post?

She has very extreme religious views is against gay rights as well as trans rights, she is against abortion too. Anyone thinking of donating to her keep that noted.

She is not on the side of feminism.

And as we all know, accessing proper justice requires being on the right "side".... 🙄