Update from CF

[DerekFaker]

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

Also if you truly believe in free speech, that means ALL speech. Unless it tips over into credible threats, etc.

yep. I have some friends with very strong religious beliefs who I love and admire. I just don't agree with everything that they believe in. Doesn't seem to matter to me.

It's not about whether I agree with CF. It's about how any money I give could be used for campaigning against abortion instead of paying her legal team. I would consider donating if my donation was ringfenced for her legal fees, but it's not.

That's fair enough. But it seems some people are backtracking from any sort of support, not just financial.

I completely support you on that @VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

It's your money, you're your own money captain! I'm supporting CF on here, by following the threads and occasionally posting (BUMP)
The details so far revealed, so far as they go, give me great concern.

I'll ask if there's any way funds can be ring fenced for legals. I think her boss writes the e-mails. One problem is that she cannot use Crowdfunder because certain individuals report (a man boasted that he had mine removed) so she's using her employer's platform which is immune to complaints. I do get this concern about anti - abortion funding and will communicate it at least.

Right now my friend is en route to court. Can I ask that, at least for now, we support rather than discuss the views of CitizenGo or Caroline's politics until after the hearing at least? Whatever you think, she's a victim of some extraordinarily unjust and abusive behaviour.

Don't put ideas in their heads.

I'm not even fully joking.

@DrLouiseJMoody

Fully with you. My thoughts are with Caroline today, what an absolute ordeal she's being put through. I hope we get some sunlight today.

CF had no real recourse to other crowd funding platforms. The vexatious litigant has a track record of suing people and then removing their right to defend themselves by having their crowd funders shut down.

The treatment of Caroline also embodies the strange contradiction of the abuse of equality law on the asserted basis of upholding it.

I'll be following the outcome. Putting all political views aside this is the relentless harrassment of one woman by aggressive men's rights activists determined to go to any lengths to punish, silence and persecute women who dare to voice dissent.

God almighty, this gets worse and worse. Trying to turn Britain into a police state while not doing any actual policing, eg solving or preventing crimes. How do police justify this?

Totally agree @DrLouiseJMoody . My thoughts are with Caroline today.

@DrLouiseJMoody im also thinking of Caroline this morning and wishing her luck.

I'm thinking of Caroline this morning. I file her anti abortion views under I don't agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.
She is a Catholic if I recall correctly so I would think she would go in line with her religious teachings.

@DrLouiseJMoody Thank you for the updates and for supporting Caroline. Please let her know I'll be thinking of her today and hoping for actual justice for her, her children and her husband, not more misogyny and abuse.

I simply don't trust the police any more, they seem to often do the abuser's job for them, whilst failing to solve real crimes. Couzens and Carrick were a feature, not a bug. Lets hope the courts can curb the police's Stasi-like inclinations to punish women.

It simply makes no sense that Caroline is a sufficient risk (of terrorism or to someone's life) that this is warranted. None at all. Unless you think mean words to a man on twitter is equivalent to actual physical violence. Which seems to be the way we're going given rape is basically legal in this country, whilst women get arrested or visited by the police for saying things on twitter or being untoward about paedophiles.

I hope today restores my faith a little.

DerekFaker
DVPO's have been a very useful 'tool' in protecting people.
Are you against the use of these?

At the end of the day, its up to the court to make the decision if this order is to be put in place or not.

Ameanstreakamilewide
We don't know what the allegation is at this stage or who has made it. Suffice to say, there is no such offence of 'being mean' or 'hurty words' - so Caroline must have been arrested for a specific offence which is under investigation.

pickledandpuzzled
Statistics do not suggest CF is terribly dangerous. Churchgoing mothers who play the organ are statistically unlikely to be causing havoc, let alone actual harm. The same with Anglican priests and TV personalities, pop stars I guess.

But we can't assume what CF has or has not done here - because we don't know yet. We don't know what she was arrested for.

Do we just 'assume' and hope nothing further happens to the reporting person whilst the investigation progresses?

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

Except we do know who made the complaint.

We all do. Caroline and @DrLouiseJMoody have both been punished by this process by the same individual.

If you look in the dictionary for Vexatious Litigant - you'll see a picture of them.

The hearing, if it is going ahead today, should be in progress right now. Hope to hear more about that, later this morning.

Ameanstreakamilewide

No you don't know - you are assuming at this stage. Unless you are Caroline, the reporting person or the OIC.

You will not know who the reporting person is. It might be the same person as before or it might be a completely new person.

We'll find out soon enough, won't we?

For someone who is against LGB, it seems pretty odd that her best friend is a lesbian.

You were in my prayers today Caroline, may you feel no anxiety.

You can be religious and be friends with anyone who isn't, you can even marry an atheist.

I read about a bloke who discovered his mum, who lived alone had been a prolific internet troll, I think the Mccanns were targeted by her. I'm not suggesting* *this of CF. He found out after his mum killed herself after she'd been contacted by a reporter (TV or newspaper)

The reason I'm raising this is, so far as I'm concerned, whatever cf may or may not have done, it does not matter. She needs support. She has not done anything so heinous that it puts her outside of society's consideration. The complainant(s) obvously have their support and their cavalry. I don't see that offering a handhold to CF is casing any harm, even if we all wind up feeling like mugs when/if it all comes out.

IcakethereforeIam

I agree. And we do offer support to people under investigation. Probation services and offender management as well as other departments do this - much to the distaste of the public.

Putting all political views aside this is the relentless harrassment of one woman by aggressive men's rights activists determined to go to any lengths to punish, silence and persecute women who dare to voice dissent.

All I know about the case comes from MN threads. However, I can join the dots of a bigger picture in play and it is the control and silencing of women about their loss of SSSs on the one hand and the increasingly authoritarian state on the other viz use of the new policing bill to arrest non protesting people at the king’s coronation.