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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fuck Oxfam

834 replies

DismantledKing · 05/06/2023 21:55

Anyone seen the tweet by Maya tonight about this little animation by Oxfam? Here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/mforstater/status/1665817901327085568?s=46&t=U7-xooKExwmFQ8mivn72lw

as I said, fuck Oxfam.

Fuck Oxfam
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Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 22:41

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:39

Should we allow our kids/nephews/nieces to watch Peppa Pig after the creator posted a pride-themed Instagram post?

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.

Why do you care what other people boycott so much?

DismantledKing · 06/06/2023 22:43

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:39

Should we allow our kids/nephews/nieces to watch Peppa Pig after the creator posted a pride-themed Instagram post?

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.

Why the fuck do you care? What do people’s individual boundaries have to do with you?

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KalimbaMoon · 06/06/2023 22:43

Mulvaney advertising Bud Light was not really a problem for UK feminists, Merlin, the backlash mostly came from men in the USA. Gender-critical feminists get annoyed when Mulvaney advertises things intended for women - such as sports bras - and puts on an exaggerated, grotesque caricature of femininity that takes the mick out of women.

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 22:45

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 22:39

I'm still boycotting Nestle.

Baby Milk actions "Nestle kills babies" a slogan you can't ever forget

About 20 years into Nestle boycott

Never had Macdonald's, never bought Primark. In fact I've spent a lot of my life avoiding anything branded apart from heinz.

Oxfam hurts so much as I always bought clothes and eco stuff from there. Still wear some of them. But hey ho. Now I'm in France it doesn't make a lot of difference.

Bubblyb00b · 06/06/2023 22:46

@MerlinsLostMarbles literally no one drinks Budweiser in the UK, its fucking horrible. No idea what "Bud Light" is, and who gives a f anyway?

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 22:48

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:39

Should we allow our kids/nephews/nieces to watch Peppa Pig after the creator posted a pride-themed Instagram post?

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.

'we'?

Who is we?

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 22:48

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:39

Should we allow our kids/nephews/nieces to watch Peppa Pig after the creator posted a pride-themed Instagram post?

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.

It's a simple "happy pride month" message on Twitter and it is not even remotely comparable to the Oxfam debacle. To suggest as much is quite wrong. But is their Insta using Nazi-era imagery to depict "TERFs"? Have they trampled all over the memory of the dead by removing what absolutely looked like JKR's poppy? Have they shown Peppa and / or friends with mastectomy scars? Have they accused parents of online and offline hate?

Anapana · 06/06/2023 22:49

PronounssheRa · 06/06/2023 20:56

What strikes me about all of this is how the culture at Oxfam will make it so easy for Haiti to happen again.

Dehumanise your victims (women and girls), dismiss their needs and vulnerabilities, prioritise the feelings of men and silence or dismiss the voices of the people who are most likely to whistle-blow or call out abusive behaviour (again women).

This

Bubblyb00b · 06/06/2023 22:50

Also, I totally support gay and lesbians and have a lot of empathy for trans - but I don't support misogyny, science denial and totalitarian mind control

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 22:59

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 22:45

About 20 years into Nestle boycott

Never had Macdonald's, never bought Primark. In fact I've spent a lot of my life avoiding anything branded apart from heinz.

Oxfam hurts so much as I always bought clothes and eco stuff from there. Still wear some of them. But hey ho. Now I'm in France it doesn't make a lot of difference.

I had to go and do some maths but it's 35 years for me! Bloody hell.

Catiette · 06/06/2023 22:59

Merlin’s shadow-boxing. I don’t think they actually need any input - they could happily continue the thread alone at this rate.

You’ve forgotten your own boycott - POW!

You‘re trying to avoid ALL association with the Pride flag on principle - BAM!

New invented straw man - BANG!

Easy-to-refute hyperbole no one ever said - KAPOW!

(I‘ve got 70s Batman cartoons flickering through my head now.

— Holy cow, Rob Merlin!)

Fireyflies · 06/06/2023 23:04

Bubblyb00b · 06/06/2023 22:46

@MerlinsLostMarbles literally no one drinks Budweiser in the UK, its fucking horrible. No idea what "Bud Light" is, and who gives a f anyway?

Bud light is like watered down Budweiser. I tried it once a it's lower calorie but it's cheaper just to mix your own lager and water combo! I've not drink it in years so boycotting it wouldn't really have had any impact. Oxfam, on the other hand, have had £50 a month from me for about 5 years, but no more.

I really am upset that they see fit to put out such a nasty image to incite hatred against feminists (and Asian men, who also feature, as presumably they're all trans-haters too)

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 06/06/2023 23:08

firey

same here…in theory I’ve been boycotting them for years as its such a nothing drink

and im fairly positive dh stopped our oxfam direct debit following the Haiti news

WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 23:15

Back in the real world people boycott companies for many different reasons, I have great admiration for people who have boycotted Nestle for nigh on 40 years (for example), to stick by your principles for many years is an honourable act. I, personally, boycott Amazon - it is actually irrelevant to others why I do this, and the same applies for companies and organisations that others may choose to boycott.

I am not sure that this is quite the gotcha that you thought it was.

Bubblyb00b · 06/06/2023 23:16

@Fireyflies I tried Bud once ages ago but it tastes awful, I used to drink cheap carbonised larger piss in my younger days but this was beyond pale...

and - I agree with you, I cant believe the video, Its almost too awful to comprehend, so offensive and evil - no idea how it fits with the whole "love" message Pride is supposed to be about.

Grammarnut · 06/06/2023 23:23

PotteringPondering · 05/06/2023 22:36

I know everybody bangs on about Nazis, and it's usually a ludicrous overreaction.

But that image really is in the style of Nazi caricatures of 'evil' Jews. The evil, scheming, hateful TERF.

FFS.

Also apparently the woman is intended to be JK Rowling - according to spikedonline.

Datun · 06/06/2023 23:24

Damn, that's a good article.

She's fuming

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 23:28

The fact that this is the first Pride Month being played out on Twitter without all the 'terf' accounts being silenced is probably a massive wake up call to these organisations that actually most people are not in agreement. Suddenly not all responses are happy and gushing. It must be rather a shock to discover that this year these companies can't get away with this shit.

mommyisbest · 06/06/2023 23:31

I’m a British Pakistani Muslim woman. I give to Oxfam and endeavour to make donations to Oxfam as well as shop at my local store in preference to other charity shops. I have a strong affinity to Oxfam because of its history of identifying need and tackling it.

I will no longer be supporting you. You have allowed your charitable purpose to be hijacked. What kept me loyal to Oxfam despite recent difficulties is that it is a charity that finds what needs to be done and seeks solutions without fear or favour. There is no scope for ideology in this. Everyone who is needy benefits. No questions are asked about people’s religious or political affiliation.

As a minority- ethnically and religiously- I depend on pluralism in order to express my culture and my religious beliefs. I don’t require anyone to validate my beliefs. I just need society to accept that I have my own beliefs. I don’t need anyone to say Salaam to me or call me sister and I don’t impose this on anyone. By the same token I don’t want to be forced to validate other people by modifying language to include concepts I don’t accept ie describing myself as cis or finding which pronoun suits me based on my sexuality or masculine/feminine leanings.

In discouraging the use of words such as male or female, modifying expressions that reference human biology, replacing one word for another such as prostitution for sex worker, you have pursued an ideological agenda which has nothing to do with your purpose or aims.

You have decided to champion that ideology in favour of other ideologies. When challenged on your dogmatic stance you have taken an unpluralist view by stating that it is the best ideology as it is, in your view, the most inclusive.

In saying this you disregard most people in the world who come from collectivist cultures where identity stems from family and community and not from Western notions of individualism where identify stems from pronouns or sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is not to say that collectivist cultures do not have active and vibrant LGBT people. But they are not asserting this in the same way and never have. To see all these LGBT people in such a monolithic way is to reduce and simplify even those people you think you are including. This is a form of cultural imperialism. Other countries have strong LGBT heritage and it’s not the same as yours.

Your latest attempt at evangelising, has led you to depict those of a different ideology (who believe biology is more important than socially constructed gender) as ugly, older women termed TERFS. Where will you go next? Will you depict Muslims similarly after all the Quran does not mention gender identity once? If you are to be consistent I don’t see that you have any choice.

For all these reasons I won’t have anything more to do with you.
Shazia

Datun · 06/06/2023 23:31

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 23:28

The fact that this is the first Pride Month being played out on Twitter without all the 'terf' accounts being silenced is probably a massive wake up call to these organisations that actually most people are not in agreement. Suddenly not all responses are happy and gushing. It must be rather a shock to discover that this year these companies can't get away with this shit.

That's a really good point.

WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 23:34

mommy Thank you for your insightful post.

BaronMunchausen · 06/06/2023 23:40

The video was produced by Falana Films, a "woman-led" company in Bangalore.

What is happening at a woman-led company that it can output such vile misogyny?

And why are the sinister male characters south and east Asian?

Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2495472930613697/

soddingspiderseason · 06/06/2023 23:47

mommyisbest · 06/06/2023 23:31

I’m a British Pakistani Muslim woman. I give to Oxfam and endeavour to make donations to Oxfam as well as shop at my local store in preference to other charity shops. I have a strong affinity to Oxfam because of its history of identifying need and tackling it.

I will no longer be supporting you. You have allowed your charitable purpose to be hijacked. What kept me loyal to Oxfam despite recent difficulties is that it is a charity that finds what needs to be done and seeks solutions without fear or favour. There is no scope for ideology in this. Everyone who is needy benefits. No questions are asked about people’s religious or political affiliation.

As a minority- ethnically and religiously- I depend on pluralism in order to express my culture and my religious beliefs. I don’t require anyone to validate my beliefs. I just need society to accept that I have my own beliefs. I don’t need anyone to say Salaam to me or call me sister and I don’t impose this on anyone. By the same token I don’t want to be forced to validate other people by modifying language to include concepts I don’t accept ie describing myself as cis or finding which pronoun suits me based on my sexuality or masculine/feminine leanings.

In discouraging the use of words such as male or female, modifying expressions that reference human biology, replacing one word for another such as prostitution for sex worker, you have pursued an ideological agenda which has nothing to do with your purpose or aims.

You have decided to champion that ideology in favour of other ideologies. When challenged on your dogmatic stance you have taken an unpluralist view by stating that it is the best ideology as it is, in your view, the most inclusive.

In saying this you disregard most people in the world who come from collectivist cultures where identity stems from family and community and not from Western notions of individualism where identify stems from pronouns or sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is not to say that collectivist cultures do not have active and vibrant LGBT people. But they are not asserting this in the same way and never have. To see all these LGBT people in such a monolithic way is to reduce and simplify even those people you think you are including. This is a form of cultural imperialism. Other countries have strong LGBT heritage and it’s not the same as yours.

Your latest attempt at evangelising, has led you to depict those of a different ideology (who believe biology is more important than socially constructed gender) as ugly, older women termed TERFS. Where will you go next? Will you depict Muslims similarly after all the Quran does not mention gender identity once? If you are to be consistent I don’t see that you have any choice.

For all these reasons I won’t have anything more to do with you.
Shazia

Thank you Shazia for such an eloquent and intelligent comment x

dimorphism · 06/06/2023 23:49

Thank you Shazia, great post. Your point about pluralism is very important. What's ironic is that in all these charities I bet they're mainly staffed by middle class white people. They've self appointed themselves as the moral arbiters of the 'right' opinions - the very opposite of pluralism.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/06/2023 23:53

mommyisbest · 06/06/2023 23:31

I’m a British Pakistani Muslim woman. I give to Oxfam and endeavour to make donations to Oxfam as well as shop at my local store in preference to other charity shops. I have a strong affinity to Oxfam because of its history of identifying need and tackling it.

I will no longer be supporting you. You have allowed your charitable purpose to be hijacked. What kept me loyal to Oxfam despite recent difficulties is that it is a charity that finds what needs to be done and seeks solutions without fear or favour. There is no scope for ideology in this. Everyone who is needy benefits. No questions are asked about people’s religious or political affiliation.

As a minority- ethnically and religiously- I depend on pluralism in order to express my culture and my religious beliefs. I don’t require anyone to validate my beliefs. I just need society to accept that I have my own beliefs. I don’t need anyone to say Salaam to me or call me sister and I don’t impose this on anyone. By the same token I don’t want to be forced to validate other people by modifying language to include concepts I don’t accept ie describing myself as cis or finding which pronoun suits me based on my sexuality or masculine/feminine leanings.

In discouraging the use of words such as male or female, modifying expressions that reference human biology, replacing one word for another such as prostitution for sex worker, you have pursued an ideological agenda which has nothing to do with your purpose or aims.

You have decided to champion that ideology in favour of other ideologies. When challenged on your dogmatic stance you have taken an unpluralist view by stating that it is the best ideology as it is, in your view, the most inclusive.

In saying this you disregard most people in the world who come from collectivist cultures where identity stems from family and community and not from Western notions of individualism where identify stems from pronouns or sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is not to say that collectivist cultures do not have active and vibrant LGBT people. But they are not asserting this in the same way and never have. To see all these LGBT people in such a monolithic way is to reduce and simplify even those people you think you are including. This is a form of cultural imperialism. Other countries have strong LGBT heritage and it’s not the same as yours.

Your latest attempt at evangelising, has led you to depict those of a different ideology (who believe biology is more important than socially constructed gender) as ugly, older women termed TERFS. Where will you go next? Will you depict Muslims similarly after all the Quran does not mention gender identity once? If you are to be consistent I don’t see that you have any choice.

For all these reasons I won’t have anything more to do with you.
Shazia

Powerfully said.

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