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Fuck Oxfam

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DismantledKing · 05/06/2023 21:55

Anyone seen the tweet by Maya tonight about this little animation by Oxfam? Here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/mforstater/status/1665817901327085568?s=46&t=U7-xooKExwmFQ8mivn72lw

as I said, fuck Oxfam.

Fuck Oxfam
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Datun · 06/06/2023 21:17

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 20:54

Telegraph, which has a link to Weetman's copy of the original animation:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/06/oxfam-accused-depicting-jk-rowling-terf-badge-cartoon/

JKR:

"While Ms Rowling has not commented directly on the row, she has “liked” a series of tweets criticising the post, one of which read: “Astonishingly, this is still up. Oxfam, speak to your lawyers.”

She also liked a post which read “women are 51 per cent of the world, Oxfam, you can’t bully us into silence with cartoons”, and a further tweet reading: “Not even a mention of actual gay people and a misogynistic slur against women – here depicted in the most ugly way as ‘hateful’.”"

Comments from politicians:

"Rishi Sunak supported the removal of the video on Tuesday afternoon. Asked about the row, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman told reporters: “I understand they’ve deleted the video after the concerns were raised. Obviously, that seems like the right approach.
“More generally, you’ll know what the Prime Minister said on this issue, and as I said, I think the starting point should be treating people equally on all sides of the debatee_ with fairness and compassion.”"
"Miriam Cates, the Conservative MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, told The Telegraph: “It’s deeply concerning that Oxfam is using its resources – money donated by the public for the alleviation of poverty in the developing world – to demonise individuals who campaign for the safety and rights of women.
“Trans rights activism has revealed itself to be an intolerant, aggressive and misogynistic movement that does not have popular support and so it is unclear why a charity would want to align itself with such a divisive campaignn_.”
Rosie Duffield, a Labour backbencher who has been shouted down by her own colleaguess_ while giving gender critical opinions in Parliament, described the video as “vile”."

Stock and Forstater:

"Stock – whose Oxford Union talk last month was interrupted by a transgender protesterr_ – wrote on Twitter: “This has shocked me… a still from an Oxfam video, made in support of Pride month.”
Maya Forstater, a tax expert who won a landmark appeal against an employment tribunal after claiming people cannot change biological sex, said after the video was deleted: “The thing is no one in the chain of command who signed this off or who saw it internally raised concerns.
“Either they didn’t see the misogyny, they approved of it, [or] they were too scared of being labelled a ‘terf’ to say anything. This is the culture bad EDI [equality, diversity and inclusion] has built.”"

Well, the era of no debate is truly over.

Even the prime minister gets involved.

Waitwhat23 · 06/06/2023 21:25

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:32

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that helps poor people in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

Even if hypothetically Oxfam said it really was her, would she have any case? Look at all the political cartoons in newspapers that take the piss out of politicians and celebs for example.

Given that you are extolling the virtues of Oxfam, do you have any comment to make about this?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxfam-child-abuse-haiti-scandal-inquiry-sexual-exploitation-charity-commission-a8953566.html

As far as I can see, you haven't yet, on this thread.

Jetskicat · 06/06/2023 21:40

This video is truly awful on so many levels.

JuvenileEmu · 06/06/2023 21:58

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:32

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that helps poor people in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

Even if hypothetically Oxfam said it really was her, would she have any case? Look at all the political cartoons in newspapers that take the piss out of politicians and celebs for example.

Unfortunately, in the last 10 years or so Oxfam has become better known for child rape. It is sad to see a charity that had done so much degrade itself like that, as I am sure you agree.

Btw "third world" is generally considered offensive these days, so I'm sure you will want to avoid using it in future also.

You don't need to thank me for educating you Smile

Fireyflies · 06/06/2023 22:02

I'm appalled by this. I've had direct debit to Oxfam going out monthly for years but have today cancelled it and written to tell them why. Not using my money promote hatred of women/feminists 😡😡😡

Signalbox · 06/06/2023 22:10

JanesLittleGirl · 06/06/2023 20:58

Many years ago Robert Conquest wrote that any organisation that is not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing. It would appear that the modern corollary is 'Any organisation that is not explicitly gender critical sooner or later becomes gender obsessed.'

This is spot on. If you are at all on the fence you're doomed.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:10

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 20:54

Telegraph, which has a link to Weetman's copy of the original animation:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/06/oxfam-accused-depicting-jk-rowling-terf-badge-cartoon/

JKR:

"While Ms Rowling has not commented directly on the row, she has “liked” a series of tweets criticising the post, one of which read: “Astonishingly, this is still up. Oxfam, speak to your lawyers.”

She also liked a post which read “women are 51 per cent of the world, Oxfam, you can’t bully us into silence with cartoons”, and a further tweet reading: “Not even a mention of actual gay people and a misogynistic slur against women – here depicted in the most ugly way as ‘hateful’.”"

Comments from politicians:

"Rishi Sunak supported the removal of the video on Tuesday afternoon. Asked about the row, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman told reporters: “I understand they’ve deleted the video after the concerns were raised. Obviously, that seems like the right approach.
“More generally, you’ll know what the Prime Minister said on this issue, and as I said, I think the starting point should be treating people equally on all sides of the debatee_ with fairness and compassion.”"
"Miriam Cates, the Conservative MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, told The Telegraph: “It’s deeply concerning that Oxfam is using its resources – money donated by the public for the alleviation of poverty in the developing world – to demonise individuals who campaign for the safety and rights of women.
“Trans rights activism has revealed itself to be an intolerant, aggressive and misogynistic movement that does not have popular support and so it is unclear why a charity would want to align itself with such a divisive campaignn_.”
Rosie Duffield, a Labour backbencher who has been shouted down by her own colleaguess_ while giving gender critical opinions in Parliament, described the video as “vile”."

Stock and Forstater:

"Stock – whose Oxford Union talk last month was interrupted by a transgender protesterr_ – wrote on Twitter: “This has shocked me… a still from an Oxfam video, made in support of Pride month.”
Maya Forstater, a tax expert who won a landmark appeal against an employment tribunal after claiming people cannot change biological sex, said after the video was deleted: “The thing is no one in the chain of command who signed this off or who saw it internally raised concerns.
“Either they didn’t see the misogyny, they approved of it, [or] they were too scared of being labelled a ‘terf’ to say anything. This is the culture bad EDI [equality, diversity and inclusion] has built.”"

Not exactly a balanced argument there, all the people mentioned are known gender criticals.

Women and men who aren't gender critical may have different opinions.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/06/2023 22:17

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:10

Not exactly a balanced argument there, all the people mentioned are known gender criticals.

Women and men who aren't gender critical may have different opinions.

The vast majority of the global population understands that sex is binary, real, and immutable.

Datun · 06/06/2023 22:23

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:10

Not exactly a balanced argument there, all the people mentioned are known gender criticals.

Women and men who aren't gender critical may have different opinions.

Haha! I bet that's news to rishi sunak.

It's not gender critical feminists you have to convince, it's everyone.

Sex IS real, y'know 😁

JanesLittleGirl · 06/06/2023 22:30

@MerlinsLostMarbles Please, please, please will you stop calling me a 'Gender Critical '? It is dehuminising and reductive and, tbh, fucking rude.

Bubblyb00b · 06/06/2023 22:31

With all this I absolutely despair at the portrayal of ALL LGBT+ people as young colourful Studio 54 drag queen types. When the majority of gay and trans people I know are middle aged no-makeup jeans and sweatshirt types - boring, ordinary working people just living their life like the rest of us...

I also HATE this style of cartoon, fake-childish crap with fat sausage like limbs and small heads, it seems to be very popular at the moment and seem to be a shorthand for "progressive" and "quirky"

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:32

JanesLittleGirl · 06/06/2023 22:30

@MerlinsLostMarbles Please, please, please will you stop calling me a 'Gender Critical '? It is dehuminising and reductive and, tbh, fucking rude.

Apologies, but I have already acknowledged that not everyone here holds "gender critical" views.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/06/2023 22:33

Dehumanising obs.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 22:34

Women and men who aren't gender critical may have different opinions

Take it up with the Telegraph? Hopefully the Guardian will cover it.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:35

Most British tabloids are on the "gender critical" side, which again, doesn't exactly make for a balanced debate. It is also ironic how the public figures who claim to be "cancelled" are the ones who are platformed the most.

Metro is one of the few who aren't.

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 22:36

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

You know women are capable of doing more than one thing at once don't you?

JanesLittleGirl · 06/06/2023 22:37

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

Now that everyone is talking sense, I suppose that MerlinsLostMarbles is forgotten.

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 22:37

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

I switched to butter after the Flora debacle. In about 2018.

Some of us can hold ideas in our heads for more than a minute. Its a woman thing.

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 22:37

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

Surely that was / is an American response to a different matter?

DismantledKing · 06/06/2023 22:38

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:33

Now that everyone is talking about Oxfam, I suppose that means the Bud boycott is forgotten?

I don’t think that many people in the UK drink that piss anyway

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Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 22:39

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 22:37

I switched to butter after the Flora debacle. In about 2018.

Some of us can hold ideas in our heads for more than a minute. Its a woman thing.

I'm still boycotting Nestle.

Baby Milk actions "Nestle kills babies" a slogan you can't ever forget

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 22:39

Should we allow our kids/nephews/nieces to watch Peppa Pig after the creator posted a pride-themed Instagram post?

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.