Frustrating conversation with NB sister

[pastatriangles]

'I don't want to be called a cis woman.' (Me)
'I will call you cis because that's what you are.'
'What would you say if a transwoman wanted to be called a woman?'
'I would call her a woman.'
'You wouldn't insist on calling them a trans woman because that's what they are?'
...

It's so frustrating how many women and girls don't realise this movement is actually the pinnacle of male entitlement, to the point of them taking over womanhood for themselves. And the refusal to see it when confronted with it.

end rant.

[JacquelinePot]

Your sister is a misogynist.

This tells me that she doesn't really think these men are women. If she did, she wouldn't give a shit about what they want, in the same way she doesn't care what you want.

It's such a massive double standard, I'm embarrassed for her that she can't see it.

[Babdoc]

OP, you can’t expect logic from an intrinsically illogical, reality denying ideology. If transgenderists actually had an intellectual case, they’d be happy to defend it - instead they cling to “No debate” and death threats for heresy.

[PuzzledObserver]

How does your NB sister like to be referred to?

[determinedtomakethiswork]

So the only person deserving of the description 'woman' is a trans woman?

[TidyDancer]

It all falls down so quickly doesn't it? It's so easy to see why these people don't want to discuss in any depth. They don't have any reasonable defendable position that makes any logical sense.

You have to keep chipping away at this and hope she finally wakes up to the silliness of what she's trying to support.

[ArabeIIaScott]

Rude, int'it?

[AuntieJune]

Well, you are her sister. Maybe she calls you sis-woman?

[ScrollingLeaves]

A transwoman in that case is a non-cis man.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Exactly, @ScrollingLeaves

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

If you don't buy into gender identity ideology, a "trans woman" would be a biologically female adult who identifies as a man.

[NancyDrawed]

'I don't want to be called a cis woman.' (Me)
'I will call you cis because that's what you are.'

'In that case, I will call you a woman, because that's what you are' (you)

[NancyDrawed]

Sorry, I realise that's confusing - first two lines quoted from OP

[literalviolence]

@JacquelinePot

Your sister is a misogynist.

This tells me that she doesn't really think these men are women. If she did, she wouldn't give a shit about what they want, in the same way she doesn't care what you want.

It's such a massive double standard, I'm embarrassed for her that she can't see it.

This. I guess she's young and might grow up to be more respectful than she is being right now? How does she feel it's OK to misgender you?

[StephanieSuperpowers]

I wonder if she recognises that the only people she see as women without a qualifying prefix are actually men?

[KalimbaMoon]

What next? Trans women are women! Cis women are cis women! So offensive. She’s pandering to men’s feelings and prioritising males over females, I’m amazed she can’t see that.

Cis is bloody rude. Anyone forcing cis upon me is effectively describing an atheist as an evangelical Christian. No thank you.

[puffyisgood]

it's best in these situations if both sides use their preferred language. op doesn't object to being called 'cis', the sister doesn't object to being called 'woman' or 'she/her', etc. it shouldn't be a big deal, both 'sides' here know exactly what the other is, i.e. an adult biological female who has or hasn't decided to layer a conflicting 'gender' on top of that.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

She’s pandering to men’s feelings and prioritising males over females, I’m amazed she can’t see that.

None of these people can see that it's at the heart of the movement.

[susie25]

@NancyDrawed

'I don't want to be called a cis woman.' (Me)
'I will call you cis because that's what you are.'

'In that case, I will call you a woman, because that's what you are' (you)

Exactly. Either everyone gets to decide their prefix or noone does. You cant have it both ways

[Boiledbeetle]

It's she usually so dense about things or it's she being purposely obtuse?

[Beautiful3]

It's getting ridiculous now. Women supporting this stupid labelling. I'm a woman not a cis. Men controlling women and the world again.

[littleripper]

You have to laugh. A woman is a cis woman but a trans identifying male is a woman.

[WhiteFire]

@KalimbaMoon

What next? Trans women are women! Cis women are cis women! So offensive. She’s pandering to men’s feelings and prioritising males over females, I’m amazed she can’t see that.

Cis is bloody rude. Anyone forcing cis upon me is effectively describing an atheist as an evangelical Christian. No thank you.

That's always been the aim.

[RealityFan]

I used to hang out with people who used to call me "bro". It was funny but borderline irritating after a while, lol.

Anyone calling me "cis", it's not funny, and way worse than borderline irritating. And not even after a while.

Anyone close to me did this with me, I'd cut the cord.

[RealityFan]

@littleripper

You have to laugh. A woman is a cis woman but a trans identifying male is a woman.

I'd say that's beautiful, about as beautiful as awful art at Tate Modern.

Seriously, you've summed up the "wheels within wheels" illogic and linguistic Orubourus snake eating itself contortions that gender is imposing on language and concepts.

Women have their whole category re-categorised...by non-women.

Said non-women then re-categorise themselves to be termed...the original category.

Not even Monty Python at their barrier breaking and post modern chaotic heights could ever have come up with this.