Let Women Speak - a new song to extol the virtues and bravery of KJK!

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If you like folksy ballards this might appeal.

But am really posting to show how LWS has gone global.

US musicians writing about events in NZ organised by UK campaigner!

"This is the Ballad of Posie Parker
Before it gets light it's gotta get darker
Down under in Auckland they thought that they could stop her
But she never loses 'cause she's the Posie Parker"

https://whistle.bandzoogle.com/track/3427154/let-women-speak

As a comeback that's on par with "I am rubber you are glue"

Oh, I'm truly wounded by the sheer sparkling brillance of your repartee.

It is not OK for men to access women's single sex environment's. Toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, shelters.
It is not OK for men to provide intimate care to women without their express agreement.
It is not OK to fuck around with kids' bodies and minds.

Are we clear on what KJK is messaging?

1. How did you get all that from her tweet, which said absolutely nothing about that whatsoever
2. Where is the logic behind "if society does all these things, gay people are gonna get beaten up"? Why will they?

How awful. There was very serious violence at that rally- one woman had her foot broken and another elderly woman had her skull fractured . A mob of angry violent men attacked a group of peaceful women.

please speak to your daughter about violence against women.

2. Where is the logic behind "if society does all these things, gay people are gonna get beaten up"? Why will they?

Because many people don't support these things, especially in the US. It's not a justification, it's reality. The unreasonable demands of trans rights activists are hardening some people against LGB rights, and inevitably feminism too.

How awful. There was very serious violence at that rally- one woman had her foot broken and another elderly woman had her skull fractured . A mob of angry violent men attacked a group of peaceful women.

please speak to your daughter about violence against women.

This.

Surely this is the core claim of trans activists like the two Oxbridge men at the centre of the protests against Kathleen Stock? That if non believers speak about men not being women it causes violence against LGBT plus people? They both said they were terrified as a result of Kathleen Stock pointing out that humans can't change sex.

Are they not claiming that, or is it okay for believers to claim it but not non believers?

Hypocrisy as usual.

Yes, but they've always been about the double standards, I guess.

Here's a better one about the incidents I read recently:

To be sung to the tune of “I Come from a Land Down Under” by Men at Work:

Posie Parker Down Under
Travelled to a women's meeting
Rioters and drums beating
I met a strange lady, he made me nervy
He had a beard and wasn’t curvy

And he said
Welcome to a land down under
Where women's rights are torn asunder
All your words and rights plundered
You'd better run, you'd better take cover

Met a man in a dress with ruffles
He was six foot four and full of muscles
I said “you can't take our language”
But he just snarled and gave me a knuckle sandwich

And I said
You're a load of thugs and nutters
No truth in the things you utter
You're not sisters or mothers
Just deluded dressed up brothers

Back in one piece in the the UK
With fire in me and a lot to say
I said to the men, did you get the email?
Women are adult human females

And I said
I come from a world of wonder
Where women support each another
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You'd better run, you'd better take cover

Very good!

The difference is who is being blamed.

The reason that transphobia is likely to overspill into homophobia is twofold:

1. there is a lot of overlap between transphobia and other bigotry
2. the gender critical movement takes support from wherever it finds it, which means the movement is signal boosting and benefiting people and organisations that want to implement homophobic laws (and much more besides)

I suspect we all know the above two things are true. The question is who we blame. I believe that the gender critical movement is to blame. You on the other hand seem to be saying something along the lines of ‘look what you made us do’. It’s the sentiment of a bully blaming the victim.

Considering you are constantly employing the terms “transphobia” and “bigotry”, could you please define them?

Claim of trans activists: people speaking out against trans people causes more hatred of trans people and this may lead to violence against trans people, possibly violence against other LGBT people as @TraumatisedGooner pointed out there is an overlap between transphobia and homophobia. A comparable phenomenon would be the increase in racist incidents after Brexit.

Claim of KJK that you are supporting: when trans people speak up for their rights, a lot of people disagree, may get angry and cause violence against trans people, and against other LGBT people due to the association. It would be comparable if for example there were violent racist incidents after the BLM protests and the response was "their demands are unreasonable so understandably there is a backlash".

These are two incredibly different things. One says that increased hatred of a group causes violence against that group and associated groups. The other says that a group campaigning for their own rights causes violence against that group and associated groups by people who disagree. The first one is a logical and demonstrable phenomenon. The second one is victim blaming, used to try to shut down campaigning by a minority group and in most situations isn't given any oxygen. To say they are the same claim is ludicrous.

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What rights are trans people fighting for that they don't already have?

I'm not blaming any one for anything.

The two Oxbridge men at the centre of the campaign against professor Stock are indistinguishable from many thousands of Oxbridge men we are all familiar with and who have successful lives in this country.

Their claims that they are uniquely vulnerable now, despite same sex marriage, Stonewall Champions schemes, LGBT clubs, equality policies and so on, which didn't exist 20 years ago, due to their adoption of a trans or non binary identity, is bogus.

This isn't blame, it's simply a lack of agreement that they have anything much to worry about in this country.

Parker -is- blaming trans people for a homophobic attack on a kid in Ireland. It’s pretty bizarre that you’re unwilling to say whether you support that or not.

They're defending their existing rights I think, rather than asking for new rights.

So, you admit that you have just perpetuated a bad faith interpretation of what she actually said.

Why? Because she was making a call, misjudged as it was, for those men, who wish to protect their families, to enter female spaces to show how ridiculous self ID is.

It was about the men who wish to protect their families. ‘Those who carry guns, OR DON’T.’

You have to be rather determined to portray someone as being hateful to post “And she said men should go into women's toilets with guns to protect them.”

And then when pointed out what she did say and the context pivot to saying ‘yes she didn’t actually say that, but she did mention guns… so that’s bad!!’ I am happy to post the longer transcript so that others can see the full context. Stripping the context to ‘And she said men should go into women's toilets with guns to protect them.’ is blatantly dishonest.

I haven't actually read it. In my experience there is non stop dishonesty about what Kelly says so I don't waste time engaging with that to and fro.

The Oxbridge people in the public eye this week have been of greater interest, as this is where the rights campaigns are now playing out. Oxbridge men who just appear to be typical of generations of Oxbridge men who we've seen having great success in this country are the current vanguard and I think it's leaving most observers in a state of incredulity.

Sorry I don't really see how this is a bad faith interpretation I made. She said that if you're a man and you consider yourself a protector of women and whether you carry a gun or not, you should start using women's toilets. Is there some kind of contextual information as to why she mentioned guns? What's the relevance of guns? Are you saying it was a total non-sequitur? Why did she mention it?

"I haven't read the tweet you're all discussing. Let's talk about something unrelated that nobody else on this thread has mentioned."

How awful. There was very serious violence at that rally- one woman had her foot broken and another elderly woman had her skull fractured . A mob of angry violent men attacked a group of peaceful women

please speak to your daughter about violence against women

this….again

Well, we are all a bit bored of the "we hate KJK" playbook TBH.

What about these two Oxbridge men? Any thoughts?

I haven't heard of the two Oxbridge men you mention and I haven't been following the Stock thing so no I have no thoughts. Is there a thread for that you can discuss it on? If you're bored of talking about KJK you don't have to be on the thread about her.