Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

This is the not farms version of the story...

tribune.com.pk/story/2513074/destiny-addresses-viral-explicit-video-allegations-and-responds-to-ongoing-controversy

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Ta for the background info too Fruityful.

My headcanon on this is that Destiny either filmed a same sex sexual encounter or deepfaked a same sex sexual encounter and leaked it himself to deflect from the Destiny x Lauren Southern affair.

in 2024 it’s less career-wrecking for a left wing YouTuber to have a homosexual sex video leak than it is to have romantic text conversations with a right wing trad wife leak.

well done to Josh for getting the hamsters back on the wheel.

I personally don't care what that hateful cesspool of a site has going on. The sooner it is investigated and shut down for all the CP and abhorrence the better (wtaf are any of you doing supporting it)

Careful now. The last person who accused KF of hosting CP had to publicly state that it was untrue (because it was untrue) under threat of a lawsuit backed by $$$ of very quickly crowdfunded money. KF is on the clearnet now and curious readers can go there easily and see what is and isn't there. Wonder whether you want that to happen? All the receipts are there....

I personally don't care what that hateful cesspool of a site has going on.

Good for you.

You obviously know nothing about that site otherwise you would know that its owner started legal proceedings against someone who says it hosts CP. You might want to get your post deleted 😬

Try fact finding yourself instead of relying on others. It seems whoever is chatting in your ear is telling you porkies 😱

Kiwifarms was banned by Cloudflare for threat to safety because of stalking and harassment. Since then it's been banned by multiple ISPs and providers until they found one who tolerates hateful and threatening content.

In addition to anti-LGBT hate and threats, there's a lot of extreme racism on there too. They don't seem to like Indians or black people very much?

https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

This again? KF has been repeatedly deplatformed/ denied security because people who don't like it's content have spammed the providers with lies until they cave in. The only threat to anyone's safety on KF is to the safety of their ego.

Those with special gender identity (whose sex is nevertheless obvious from their behaviour alone) have been at the forefront of campaigns to shut down KF which have been shown to be based on lies. Why is that, do you think? All the stuff on KF about named individuals is a) information that those individuals have put into the public domain themselves and b) accompanied by receipts. Try making claims you can't prove on KF, see how far you get before being roundly ridiculed.

KF is on the clearnet now, people can go and see for themselves what is or isn't there. It was much easier to spread lies about it when casual viewers couldn't read it first hand, wasn't it? That's a shame for the liars.

PS even the creator of Wikipedia says you can't trust it's content these days, maybe you need better sources.

Margie-Chris is a stuck record! Fortunately the world has moved on.

I'm honestly embarrassed to be on the same site as marg. Their fact free nonsense just being on the same page is an affront.

Bobbymoore123 the people who tried to get the site closed down were not concerned about it hosting child sexual abuse material, because it doesn't do any such thing.

What some of them were and are very concerned about is that it archives evidence about the perpetrators of abuse of children and, in many cases, animals too.

Please do not refer to child sexual abuse as "CP".

To misquote you:

"wtaf are you doing supporting child sexual abuse by using the language of perpetrators and referring to it as CP"??

I dunno. Sometimes it's useful to have all the pile o'shite TRA arguments being regurgitated in one place. Gives you something to refute with facts and reasons for the lurkers.

This is becoming a trope at this point in the past year or so- anyone who has their twitter account banned, Patreon page banned or website banned from their provider tend to now say "trans people/Indians/other group of people I dislike all mass reported it". Even if there was doxxing/threats of violence/frequent hateful content or the disallowed selling of weapons involved on there.

One of the archive sites removed all archives from KF and disallows any further archives to be take from there I believe because these sites aren't meant to be used to take archives of people's home addresses etc. Making an uncensored copy of someone else's doxx is also a doxx in itself and further contributes to putting the victim's safety at risk. This also means it is still harassment and stalking to doxx someone "just because they're already doxxed/others are doing so".

I often see threads on here about people who have lost family and friends "over their gender critical views" and are confused why. What's wrong with politely saying "trans women are men" as a personal opinion when the time/place is appropriate to do so, absolutely nothing right, and why are some people with gender critical views appearing to lose friend groups over it? Just my opinion here, but there may be people who seem to make being gender critical their entire personality. People who don't follow and aren't interested in this stuff can find the topic of sex changes and what trans people do or don't do weird to begin with, and even more so if it's brought up frequently and/or as a heated topic that stresses everyone out.

Quite often the dislike of trans people also extends to anyone who remotely supports them or won't speak out against them (look at how Nichola Sturgeon was hounded out of her FM job because she didn't say what people with GC views wanted her to say), and the siding of people who are gender critical can extend to siding with people who dislike more groups of people than just trans (example here, KF is also a very vile racist forum). Again, just my 2c.

Marge, the people who mass-reported kiwi farms made themselves a promotional hashtag and did press interviews, that the farms was targeted is not a trope or made up excuse! The people who organised it bragged about it (and then got cancelled by their own community, eg Keffals who was later accused of spending a legal fees fundraiser on cocaine and holidays).

This is becoming a trope at this point in the past year or so- anyone who has their twitter account banned, Patreon page banned or website banned from their provider tend to now say "trans people/Indians/other group of people I dislike all mass reported it"

This article (which is pro harassing KF) describes it as 'a relentless campaign by transactivists'. If people who agree with you call you a relentless campaign, you're probably doing it, wouldn't you say?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/03/kiwifarms-website-offline/

Making an uncensored copy of someone else's doxx is also a doxx in itself and further contributes to putting the victim's safety at risk

How is it doxing to share info that a person has already chosen to put into the public domain themselves?

What's wrong with politely saying "trans women are men" as a personal opinion when the time/place is appropriate to do so, absolutely nothing right, and why are some people with gender critical views appearing to lose friend groups over it?

Perhaps the issue is the definition of the appropriate time/place then? When is it not appropriate to tell the truth?

PS TWAM isn't an opinion, it's a literal fact.

"This article (which is pro harassing KF) describes it as 'a relentless campaign by transactivists'."

Yes it's all trans people's fault KF were banned from Cloudflare, web archive, and numerous providers. Nothing to do with the actual content on there which doxxes and threatens the safety of the groups of people they dislike.

It reminds me of something. I don't know if anyone here is familiar with a racist twitter account that was active in the summer that used an alias called "barry stanton" (not his real name) that posted daily racist and vile content targeting and threatening Indians and immigrants living in the UK? After a few months of this (Musk is very slow getting around to moderating) his main account was finally perma-banned. After this the account owner and his followers spent weeks blaming "mass reporting by Indians".

That's what's happening here. Kiwifarms is a racist, homophobic and transphobic hate site that doxxes and makes threats of violence towards these people (both generally and towards named people). Then they say "we were mass reported by trans people" in response to any criticism or bans.

Yes it's all trans people's fault KF were banned from Cloudflare, web archive, and numerous providers.

I thought it was one main player who was trying to hide their criminal act (which they freely posted about at the time) that were kept on KF as receipts. I mean... even several main news sites reported that particular person's claims about targeting KF, they just didn't post the real reason why their knickers were in a twist. Why are you lumping all trans in with this person? You may as well lump in all men while you are at it.

Edit - hate site that doxxes and makes threats of violence towards these people (both generally and towards named people).

Tut tut pinocchio.

Yes it's all trans people's fault KF were banned from Cloudflare, web archive, and numerous providers

Eem yes the activists involved are literally saying that in the article. They are proud of harassing and defaming a legal website because they don't like the true things collected there.

a racist twitter account that was active in the summer that used an alias called "barry stanton" (not his real name) that posted daily racist and vile content targeting and threatening Indians and immigrants living in the UK

Dunno who that is or why it's relevant but you do seem to frequent some odd corners of the internet. Have you considered not frequenting such unsavoury sites?

Kiwifarms is a racist, homophobic and transphobic hate site

KF has an equal opportunities insult policy. Users will insult your sex, race, religion, country, clothing or anything else you're foolish enough to tell them about.

that doxxes and makes threats of violence towards these people (both generally and towards named people).

Again, I urge you to be careful in making unsubstantiated and untrue statements about KF, both because Jersh now has a healthy fund for sueing those who lie about his site, and because KF being on the clearnet means anyone whose interest is piqued can go there and see what you're lying about, and plenty more besides. Are you actually a shill for KF at all?

Don’t be daft Marge, not ALL transgender people were involved in the ‘Drop Kiwi Farms’ campaign.

Some trans people enjoy using KF as the gossip site it’s intended to be.

The campaign was pointless anyway, KF is bigger and more popular than ever. The Drop the Farms campaign was the second least successful TRA campaign of the past few years (the top spot goes to the Hogwarts game boycott).

"you do seem to frequent some odd corners of the internet. Have you considered not frequenting such unsavoury sites"

Yes Twitter certainly has become very unsavoury after being bought by Musk. At this point KF isn't needed anymore since Twitter allows racists etc to post what they want. As long as you don't say "cisgender" on Twitter it's all good.

Fun fact- I lost Musk an advertiser by notifying them of the racist content their adverts were next to. They said they were unaware and immediately pulled out after investigating. That's another topic- advertisers don't like this stuff.

Thanks so much, the adverts on Twitter are relentless. You are a good soul, looking out for us.

@Christinapple less than 2c in my humble opinion.

I’m surprised you haven’t boycotted X in favour of Blue Sky, Marge!

With well thought-out replies like that you must have been top of your school's debating club.