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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Bosky · 26/05/2023 03:34

Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

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Fruityful · 01/03/2024 20:42

A couple of small updates. The litigation fund online seems to have hit $159,000 but in the thread it was mentioned there's a further $5,000+ dollars in postal orders, cheques, etc. So looks like not merely has the farms met its target of $75,000 necessary to fund the lawsuit but has smashed through $160,000 barrier. It's slowed from the initial rush of course but people are still donating. I honestly think people are just so happy to find a way to push back at all this stuff at last.

But aside from the amounts, Null's lawyers have now filed a petition to the US Supreme Court. Yes, the actual US Supreme Court. It's about a one in a hundred chance it gets heard - and that's not a figure of speech, that's how many petitions get heard each year out of how many are submitted. What happens now is that clerks of the Supreme Court who have to review all the petitions pull out ones they think are valid and have importance for the supreme justices' attention. Now this isn't specifically about the defamations and libels about the Farm, which is something else and what most of this discussion has been about, it's to do with a separate case and involves copyright law. However, it has some impact on the first potentially because there have been some screwy rulings at the lower courts that allow the shutting down of websites and if this gets heard by the SC then it bolsters the defences web sites have against frivolous or malicious lawsuits. I'm not a lawyer - this is just how I read it and from comments on it. But just the possibility that KiwiFarms might make it to the Supreme Court is hilarious and great. The Farms is becoming the fulcrum on which so much to do with what you're allowed to say and how you can be shut down balances on. A real Mr. Moon Goes to Washington.

I presume MN does not allow one to link to threads on the Farms?

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/03/2024 22:17

The Supreme Court tends to go for cases that it finds of interest and I can’t think of anything more interesting than the Farms - can you imagine the justices doom scrolling through various threads on KF 😵🤯🤭

Fruityful · 01/03/2024 23:19

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/03/2024 22:17

The Supreme Court tends to go for cases that it finds of interest and I can’t think of anything more interesting than the Farms - can you imagine the justices doom scrolling through various threads on KF 😵🤯🤭

The Farms is certainly interesting. Maybe in the Chinese sense of the word sometimes, but definitely interesting. But from a legal point of view this is actually very interesting. You see the thing they're petitioning the Supreme Court about is something that (a) leads to inconsistent interpretations of federal law between two different states and (b) a lower court decision has directly contradicted existing law. So it is the sort of thing that is the Supreme Court's function.

Honestly, I'm the wrong person to try and explain it and I'm not sure if it's allowed here to link to a KiwiFarms thread. (Interestingly, part of the case is to do with a site being held liable for something that isn't on the site but that it is linked to).

It'll probably not happen, sounds like it's very unlikely in fact. Still just the fact that they're petitioning the Supreme Court and it appears to be a pretty well-founded petition is giving some people pause for thought, I think. Might see a little less misrepresentation of the Farms going forward. (Maybe! :) )

Ofcourseshecan · 01/03/2024 23:20

Bewarethesealions · 26/05/2023 04:18

"Nothing good or worthwhile can come from supporting a person who is willing to assist groups pf disgruntled men that want to put their boots on your faces."

Says the fully paid up member of the TRAliban.

Yes, I love the irony!

Bosky · 02/03/2024 04:16

Fruitiful if you link to KF it will probably get deleted. There might be an "autodelete" function set to boot it off or it might be deleted if someone reports the post?

I've never seen a post with a link to KF survive so, if you try it, best not to include a link in a detailed post that you don't want to lose.

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 02/03/2024 10:09

TBF Mumsnet will delete links to other chat boards generally, eg netmums, tattlelife et al, so it’s as much to do with not routing traffic away from mn and directly to their competitors as it is to do with content.

A slightly broken link, an archive link or a screenshot is usually OK (but weekend mods tend to be harsher than weekday mods!)

Needmoresleep · 02/03/2024 12:11

Or suggest a key words to Google that will take people to the right place, or search words to use when visiting the fruit farms. (More of a jungle than neat agricultural rows of trees.)

DevilinaCardigan · 19/03/2024 16:37

Kiwi lolsuit takes a W against Epik and they issued a retraction.

Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?
Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2024 16:44

That's good!

Pixiedust1234 · 19/03/2024 16:48

I wasn't sure who Epik was so I googled. I think someone has beaten me to the wiki page . Sore losers or what? 😂

Epik is an American domain registrar and web hosting company known for providing services to alt-tech websites that host far-right, neo-Nazi, and other extremist materials.[1] It has been described as a "safehaven for the extreme right" because of its willingness to provide services to far-right websites that have been denied service by other Internet service providers.[2][8]

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2024 16:49
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NicCageisnotNickCave · 19/03/2024 16:50

Awesome.

Speaking of LoLCows, I see Vaush has been caught with bestiality porn and cartoon CSA, Keffals is being dragged for supporting Vaush, leading to lots of questions re: what Keffals spent all that fundraising cash on (cocaine, allegedly), SophiefromMars has been excommunicated from Transtown after multiple other transitioned males accused Sophie of abusive behaviour in relationships and hookups and HBomberGuy has been accused of hounding a gay male YouTuber to suicide.

Thankfully, it seems that rumours of James Somerton’s death have been greatly exaggerated but it’s been interesting watching the boot being worn on the other foot - the Farmers have never gotten 18 million views on a compilation of someone’s online transgressions* but somehow they’ve bullied people into self harm but HBomber hasn’t? Let’s have some consistency here kids!

*Plagarising content/not citing sources whilst looking smug, basically.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2024 16:54

Wow it's all go, I haven't been on recently, will have to have a read!

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/03/2024 16:54

DevilinaCardigan · 19/03/2024 16:37

Kiwi lolsuit takes a W against Epik and they issued a retraction.

Wow, mealy mouthed apology but an apology nonetheless - let’s hope it’s the start of people learning to stop telling lies to justify their attempts to shut down Kiwi Farms.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 19/03/2024 17:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2024 16:54

Wow it's all go, I haven't been on recently, will have to have a read!

i got all this from YouTube (‘Drama Tubers’ I believe, dunno really, I’m a middle aged mum 🤷‍♀️)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3YYYZewQGM&pp=ygUMV2lsbHltYWNzaG93

KiwiFarms is way too much of a time suck, so this stuff lets me absorb the gossip while I do other things.

Keffals - The WORST Activist | Pt. 1 Misleading & The Lawsuit

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3YYYZewQGM&pp=ygUMV2lsbHltYWNzaG93

DevilinaCardigan · 19/03/2024 17:12

Blocked and reported recently covered the Somerton and Hbomerguy drama.

Also on that episode Helen Lewis mentioned kiwi farms. Just in passing.

The farms covers so many cows that I find it hard to keep up and really only regularly check on a few.

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/03/2024 13:18

NicCageisnotNickCave · 19/03/2024 17:04

i got all this from YouTube (‘Drama Tubers’ I believe, dunno really, I’m a middle aged mum 🤷‍♀️)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3YYYZewQGM&pp=ygUMV2lsbHltYWNzaG93

KiwiFarms is way too much of a time suck, so this stuff lets me absorb the gossip while I do other things.

As a Gen X-er I’m unclear as to why Keffals etc are public personalities other than they’re internet famous 🤷‍♀️ but that was an interesting video. Thanks for posting 👍

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/03/2024 13:33

I see that Elon Musk suspended Alejandra Caraballo, "Esqueer" from Twitter for doxxing. The TRAs are hopping mad, but when aren't they. I think it's only a temp one though.

DerekFaker · 20/03/2024 14:37

So KiwiFarms should be removed from the internet for doxing, but Caraballo shouldn't be removed from twitter?

Double standards are a feature, not a bug.

DevilinaCardigan · 20/03/2024 15:29

Do as I say not as I do. Pretty much the TRA manifesto

NicCageisnotNickCave · 20/03/2024 16:11

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/03/2024 13:18

As a Gen X-er I’m unclear as to why Keffals etc are public personalities other than they’re internet famous 🤷‍♀️ but that was an interesting video. Thanks for posting 👍

Same! Although tbf to Gen Z, YouTubers are as famous as actual celebs were in previous generations.

I only really pay attention to the LOL cows who involve themselves in our world (Hbomberguy raised cash for Mermaids to spite Glinner, Vaush gained 15 mins of real fame by telling JK (and women generally) to shut up, Keffals tried to shut down Kiwi Farms and SophieFromMars was the male transitioner who happened across a London journalist in ladies toilet and may or may not have mentioned Sophie’s penis (she said, zie said).

All are YouTubers/Twitch streamers, all went after critics of trans ideology and are now falling out with each other and getting flack from their own audiences because, well, they are ‘unironically awful’ as the kids are wont to say.

Will listen to that Blocked and Reported episode later!

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/03/2024 16:58
Disturbing The Ring GIF

So much of this 'youth' culture seems very Lord of the Flies to me - young people negotiating and creating their own society and rules of engagement online without adult supervision. And now it’s leaking out into the real world like the girl from The Ring films.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2024 13:08

Good video on "Sophie" here