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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Declining to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature

434 replies

HowDoIGetThisThingOff · 23/05/2023 13:11

It's finally happened, I've been "told" to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature at work.

I've emailed back saying my preference is that I don't do this. But I'm feeling a bit anxious 😬.

Please can I get some advice on what to say if they come back with questions or pressure to comply?

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maltravers · 23/05/2023 17:10

If I see someone using their pronouns I assume they are either indulging in idiotic virtue signalling or are young, naive and caught up in this. This is not an image I want to project of myself to the outside world. I haven’t been asked to use my pronouns, but I won’t be kneeling to Big Brother and doing so if I am.

I don’t expect my co-workers to label themselves as lesbians, Muslims etc. how could my gender identity (if I had one) be anyone’s business but mine?

PeopleAreShit · 23/05/2023 17:10

I’d reply that I wasn’t ready to be outed by labelling myself as I hadn’t yet decided. Or something else to make them stop.

AnarchoTyrannosaurus · 23/05/2023 17:11

No thanks to stating pronouns. It's too political. And not needed.

If in doubt, use my name. Or whatever. I don't care. But I wouldn't add pronouns to my email.

YoucancallmeKAREN · 23/05/2023 17:12

Girlboss1989 · 23/05/2023 15:20

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

Because i'm obviously female, therefore you know that i am her, she or Miss, if i was male i would be he, him or Mr. Simples

Lysianthus · 23/05/2023 17:13

@SerendipityJane I didn't know that! Wink

Waitwhat23 · 23/05/2023 17:14

maltravers · 23/05/2023 17:10

If I see someone using their pronouns I assume they are either indulging in idiotic virtue signalling or are young, naive and caught up in this. This is not an image I want to project of myself to the outside world. I haven’t been asked to use my pronouns, but I won’t be kneeling to Big Brother and doing so if I am.

I don’t expect my co-workers to label themselves as lesbians, Muslims etc. how could my gender identity (if I had one) be anyone’s business but mine?

That's my feelings. If I see pronouns in an email signature, I am alerted to the fact the person using them is highly credulous and so I take anything they say with an enormous pinch of salt.

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

AnarchoTyrannosaurus · 23/05/2023 17:16

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

No.

SerendipityJane · 23/05/2023 17:16

maltravers · 23/05/2023 17:10

If I see someone using their pronouns I assume they are either indulging in idiotic virtue signalling or are young, naive and caught up in this. This is not an image I want to project of myself to the outside world. I haven’t been asked to use my pronouns, but I won’t be kneeling to Big Brother and doing so if I am.

I don’t expect my co-workers to label themselves as lesbians, Muslims etc. how could my gender identity (if I had one) be anyone’s business but mine?

Interestingly enough, I've noticed on LinkedIn that a few connections who had pronouns now don't. and looking in my feed they are definitely in the decline.

I would be hopeful. But then I remember that punk was replaced by disco.

SpudleyLass · 23/05/2023 17:17

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

What if I don't want to because it lends credence to an ideology I don't agree with?

SerendipityJane · 23/05/2023 17:17

Lysianthus · 23/05/2023 17:13

@SerendipityJane I didn't know that! Wink

You and probably everyone who voted for him. Guess it shows reading still has it's place. just not in the US. Well, not Texas leastways.

Maireas · 23/05/2023 17:18

@maltravers and @Waitwhat23 , those are my feelings. I've worked 40 years without it being necessary, I don't know why it suddenly is now. In every single case at work, I could have told you who was she/her or him/his. Is it just to make a point?

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 17:18

Pronouns are useful.

They do provide an insight into the person using them.

Bookworm20 · 23/05/2023 17:18

MsFogi · 23/05/2023 16:22

I prefer the option of refusing to do this (saying 'not comfortable' etc). But, I do think that if every middle age woman started putting ridiculous pronouns in their bios/signatures etc etc this would die a death pretty quickly. Companies are desperate to be seen to be supporting 20-something women who id as non-binary or trans and over 50s men who decide they are women. But they are less keen on addressing 49 year old Julie from accounts, who has a bit of middle aged spread and loves Gary Barlow, as ze/zem and even less enthusiasm about her coming into the men's loos.

This made me laugh! @MsFogi Needed that today :)

DollyTrolly · 23/05/2023 17:19

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

Women are routinely disadvantaged, discriminated against and subject to stereotypes in the workplace.... why would I want to further highlight the fact I'm female?

What other protected characteristics would you like me to advertise?
My religion, any disabilities I might have? What about my marital status, sexuality and pregnancy??

RoseslnTheHospital · 23/05/2023 17:19

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

That's weird, when there's a whole thread of people discussing what the issue is...

BenCoopersSupportWren · 23/05/2023 17:19

No thanks to stating pronouns. It's too political.

Ooh I like this, if I'm asked at work I think I'll say "no thanks, it's all become far too politicised for me".

Lysianthus · 23/05/2023 17:20

@SerendipityJane definitely didn't vote for him, in UK, but just like listening to the shitstorms in the States...

Maireas · 23/05/2023 17:20

BenCoopersSupportWren · 23/05/2023 17:19

No thanks to stating pronouns. It's too political.

Ooh I like this, if I'm asked at work I think I'll say "no thanks, it's all become far too politicised for me".

It certainly is.

midgemadgemodge · 23/05/2023 17:20

Arebella you make me laugh

SunnyEgg · 23/05/2023 17:20

Greywhippet · 23/05/2023 17:15

Genuinely can’t see the issue. Just put the pronouns. Seems a strange hill to die on.

You can but I’ll decide and it’s a no

DollyParkin · 23/05/2023 17:22

Women are routinely disadvantaged, discriminated against and subject to stereotypes in the workplace.... why would I want to further highlight the fact I'm female?

This. Times a million.

MissMissive · 23/05/2023 17:22

GreatBigBoots · 23/05/2023 16:37

Although I recently had an 'inclusion' training session (interestingly all about trans, no reference to inclusion of older women etc) where one of the first slides was 'Get comfortable being uncomfortable' !!! (So many red flags)

My plan if when I am asked to put pronouns in my e-mail signature is to say that I am concerned that this will put pressure on people to out themselves when they may not be ready. I know that if I mention my real views I will be ignored (at best) as a TERF

It seems if you’re a middle aged woman, that your comfort is not required. Only everyone else’s. Unless they’re boring, in which case they need to make the i boring people feel comfortable, with their own discomfort.

DollyTrolly · 23/05/2023 17:23

DollyParkin · 23/05/2023 16:55

Could you cite the research that indicates that once a woman signals her sex in an otherwise non-face to face interaction, the response is more prone to be sexist? That a woman drawing attention to her sex leads them to be treated differently, and less well?

Seriously?
Do you not know that women are routinely discriminated against in the workplace? Not to mention subjected to sexual harassment?

skyfalldown · 23/05/2023 17:23

I include mine because I have a name most English people assume is masculine. Don't care whether someone else does it or not, up to them.