Female cyclists in podium no-show after being beaten by male cyclist

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https://www.outkick.com/cyclists-no-show-post-race-podium-after-biological-male-finishes-1st-in-female-race/

This was in a Colorado - Utah race a couple of days ago. Apologies if there's already a thread. I didn't see one.

Interestingly, this was in the race for cyclists aged 40-49. I wonder if older athletes are less likely to stand for this nonsense. Anyway, good for them. I hope this spreads to younger cyclists and other sports.

This whole thread is about a man competing in a women's category. And yes, it is sad that the man won.

Curious to the answer to this

Good luck with that, I suspect only tedious linguistic sophistry and unfounded assertions about opposite sex souls are forthcoming.

Oh… I see….

You claim to understand science, yet you don’t understand SPORT science!

Ahhh, I think we are getting to the crux of the issue. You only believe in social science and not physical or sports science ! Glad we cleared that up.

That is not the consenus at all. That is perhaps what has been happening, though. Young people with or without dysphoria have been encouraged to belive they are in the 'wrongly' sexed body. That is what affirmation is.

But that consensus is fast unravelling ( certainly in Europe) as experts, doctors, parents and everyone else, become aware of what has been going on in the name of mental health care.

Trans' is just the term used to describe someone who doesn't feel comfortable in their body.

Which is an obvious logical fallacy.

Even if you were starting from a correct premise, it doesn't follow that trans-women are really women.

I'll put in the swimming ones as I happen to know them

Definition of woman: anyone not gone through or going through male puberty
Categories of woman and non woman: women are humans who have not gone through or are going through male puberty, age 12 and upwards. Other category is men: humans 12 onwards who have gone or are going through male puberty.
Characteristics of woman: no evidence of male puberty
How to measure characteristics: For most people sex observed at birth. For disputed sex, swimmer must prove no male puberty is taking or has taken place.

I find it quite offensive women are now being classified by the lack of male puberty, but this is what you get when governments screw around with womens rights

I think we just have to stop legitimising these people and their clown dancing. Trans "women" are biologically male, the name for these people are boys as children and men as adults. Women are female, so it's a category error.

MummaMaggoth, you are in luck, I just posted the swimming rules!

I think you might be wrong there. I don’t think you will find it is the majority at all. Unless you mean the majority are all for extensive exploratory therapy extending over years before the last resort is to medicalise patients.

Either way, this has nothing to do with sports which is sex based. Not ‘gender’ at all!

The medical community. If you seek to transition they either support you or, if they have personal hang ups, you can complain and get someone who will support you. Because the consensus in the field is that transitioning is the right treatment. That's why it is prescribed. It doesn't mean everyone agrees it means enough of the relevant experts agree that it is the standard approach. Again, I'm not arguing this I'm telling you that this is how things are. If I go to the doctor with dysphoria I will get treated for it and assuming I get diagnosed I will have the right to access gender affirming care because that is the consensus approach.

There are lots of different scientists that claim to have cured cancer or relabelled it as some other thing but the consensus is not on their side and we have agreed upon state funded cancer treatment based on consensus. It's the same thing.

What do you mean by transition? And can you link to the evidence of these 'experts'?

I think you might be wrong there. I don’t think you will find it is the majority at all. Unless you mean the majority are all for extensive exploratory therapy extending over years before the last resort is to medicalise patients.

As I've pointed out to this poster.

Is it half term or something?

Transitioning changes sex characteristics, oestrogen lowers performance in general.

Most transmen feel far more comfortable playing with women, for the reason that they are female.

The sad thing is, that once a. woman starts taking testosterone she can no longer legally compete with anyone - as testosterone is a banned substance giving unfair advantage. Once again, women/ females lose out.

Right, so any man who impedes his performance through the use of performance-reducing drugs should compete against women? Is that what you think?

No, transitioning just modifies external secondary sexual characteristics for the sake of social presentation. One cannot change sex.

The physical scientist research is clear and is repeatable, and consistent.

There is no need for waiting. Every study that has robust methodology has been shown to prove that the benefits of male puberty cannot be reversed.

Please show us the studies that you believe has shown any different?

Because the consensus in the field is that transitioning is the right treatment.

It depends what is meant by "transitioning". If it's puberty blockers, hormones and surgery for minors, no it isn't, either in this country, many countries in Europe, or on a state by state basis in the US.

Except you're wrong that's why trans people can and have competed in sports for decades. They've been allowed in the Olympics for ages. They don't even do well.

If you have been to university and have been educated in first principles and logical consistency you really do not need to "google it"

It is that's why they do it. I don't know how else to explain this. The scientific consensus is on my side that is why trans people get to transition.

They've been allowed in the Olympics for ages.

Until 2015 they were required to have surgery. That's a big commitment which most MTFs don't wish to make, understandably.