Women's rights general conversations - Thread 5

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 4.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

everyone seemed to talking at the same time, so very intense and LOUD. Every now and then I'd glance up and see a woman smiling at me with a genuine, warm smile.

That's exactly my experience of every meetup I've been to about this issue.

@Woman2023 the vids and photos I've seen all suggested that this is the case, but it was amazing to be a part of it, to feel the warmth and excitement of being with a group of friendly, like-minded women. Looking forward to the next one.

There have been several mentions in the other place about men never noticing or caring who else is in the men’s toilets. That’s great if true! All trans people can use the men’s, case solved, no more encroaching on women’s single-sex spaces. I don’t know why no-one thought of it before.

And yet there's an etiquette instinctively followed in men's toilets - where one stands in a line of urinals, I mean. Also cubicles but only to the degree that you choose the one furthest from any that are occupied.

I remember when my friend’s son was 3 or 4 he became obsessed with the men’s toilets, which my single-mother friend wasn’t able to take him into. So whenever she was out with male friends/relatives, they’d take her son to the male loos. At a restaurant we were at, he came back from the male loos with his grandad, eyes wide, exclaiming “They’re weeing in the SINK!” (the urinals).

I need to get involved with my nearest local WRN.

Oh do, MouseMinge, they're great.

Just read the weekly newsletter from Caroline Criado Perez, author of 'Invisible Women' and she mentions a new book, 'Eve' by Cat Bohannon, which looks like it will be worth a read. In it, she posits that it was not fire, the wheel or penicillin that drove the success of humanity, but gynaecology. That makes a lot of sense to me and I'll be pre-ordering this.

Ooh that looks interesting - I've pre-ordered it.

It's in my basket waiting to be bought. It looks really good.

I’ve pre-ordered it too!

Well, thank goodness.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/18/carla-foster-woman-jailed-obtaining-tablets-pregnancy-freed-appeal

Oh, that's good news. It was a ridiculous sentence that helped nobody.

Very good news, so relieved for her.

Just been into the local council offices to fill in some forms and was asked for my 'gender'. My response was 'My sex is female'. No eyelids batted.

Definitely. Heard it on the news and had the same reaction as everyone else. Thank goodness.

That is good news.

I hope that somehow there will be an appeal against Paris Mayo’s sentence for murder (rather than Infanticide).

A gay conservative (ish, I think) telling it like it is.

https://quillette.com/2023/07/20/the-lefts-social-contract-is-broken-heres-how-to-fix-it/?fbclid=IwAR2cmPDiyJAhW6Y8RSgXmW-LjoL12XG_QyfxvLHE3ZnGQKhWNmjO1egEW4E

He makes some good points but uses too many words IMHO. Cracking photo.

So many links off to different articles. But interesting article with many valid points.

Seemed like a good piece to me. I think it's pretty clear that gay men (and lesbians, even more) are being screwed over by the TRA movement.

Good article but he's wrong about Dave Chapelle's point and in fact emphasises that, unwittingly, in his reasoning as to why gay rights did better than civil rights. The fact that we can more easily accept the rights of those who look like us - in his point, white - is indicative of a racist society. Not necessarily hate filled racism, but seeing black people as other and separate. I'm surprised he can't see that.

I think he's also wrong about BLM. I think most of us understood the reaction to the murder of George Floyd and he underestimates the place of some levels of violence in the gay rights movement. It wasn't all nice liberal non-violent action. The Stonewall riots are testament to that. The difference between the moments of violence in both the BLM and gay rights movements and the violence of TRAs is that the former are fighting back against violence perpetrated on them and the latter are inventing reasons to be violent.

He also completely misunderstands what is meant by the call to defend the police.

But, mostly he makes some really good points. I think we all need to understand that we don't need to throw out the progressive baby with the gender ideology infected progressive bath water.

I was just enjoying this little video on the BBC of baby seahorses being released in Sydney harbour when I noticed this: "Earlier this year, the Sydney Institute of Marine Science captured three pregnant males ..."

Yes, we know how seahorses reproduce, but I'm cheerfully awaiting the "Gotchas" at this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-australia-66264370

Hmm. So does that mean when I carted my daughter around in a baby backpack that I was pregnant?

Science say no!

On another thread someone has asked if a transman who has given birth could be recorded as the father.

I know a court said “No” in the Freddy McConnell case. But what if G M had a GRC and the Haldane judgement? Does anyone know?

Are Haldane judgement and the FM judgement contradicting each other?

The GRA makes it clear that the birth certificates of children are not the affected by a parent’s change of legal sex.

And the judge in the FM case said something along the lines of ‘mother’ refers to ‘person who gestated baby’ which could be a woman or a transman, even if that transman had a legal sex of ‘male’.