A look at 'trans hostile feminism' by Ash Sarker interviewing transwoman Abigail Thorn

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-Ash Sarker interviews Abigail Thorn @ PhilosophyTube it is quite revealing (If you skip to 29 mins where their critique of ‘trans hostile feminism’ begins!)

Sarker: “What is the motivating animus behind trans hostile feminists -why are they so angry and upset?”
“...Many of them say ‘if trans ideology had been around when I was growing up I would have been forced to become a transman what that reveals is that we are very fucked up by gender, cis people experience living under the regime of gender -cis gender woman first experience of sexual harassment by much older men are when you are at primary school, living in this horrible regime of gender then along come transpeople and you go.. Wait, so you are happy?”

-What is a regime of gender? Who is doing the sexual harassing? Is this the new language replacement for ‘patriarchy’? It seems to get so muddy and unclear when you can’t say that women suffer discrimination on the basis of their sex.

Thorn: “Transpeople reveal a great truth by existing if you want to change sex you can so sexual hierarchy is a made up construct...But if you get something out of the regime you might think that replacing it is scary”

So sex based oppression doesn’t exist, we all are acting a role and complying with it.
If it does exist then the differences between the sexes are immaterial, women disadvantaged through realities of childbirth, physical strength and subject to male sexual violence - no problem this is irrelevant as can just swap our sex over, the “sexual hierarchy” does not exist after all.

just to add that Thorn seems to be something of a narcissist:

(Of C8S women) “I would even use the word jealousy, ..my lazar tech was a gorgeous woman but she said to me ‘I’m so jealous of you, you are so tall!’…

Saker picks up on this and play-acts the female friend and flatters Thorn which is quite cringy “Ahh you are flexing on a 5Foot 2” Bengali woman, thanks!”

Guardian columnist spouts bullshit. Next.

Abigail Thorn says that you don't need to have dysphoria to be trans, but you should get whatever medical treatments you want anyway.

Gender regime?

So, we've gone from the pre internet age, vague feelings of associating more with certain gendered stereotypes...to gender being an absolute thing. In less than three decades.

A functioning "reality", an all embracing belief system, a system of rules and experiences and logical deductions.

A religion, no less.

Finally, mock philosophers like Thorn are spelling it out.

Gender is real.
Gender is politics.
Gender is oppression.
Gender is the inner world made physical.

And thus any obstruction or resistance from the GC world is pure class based oppression.

Our cis skeptical class putting down the gendered soul class.

How religious can you get? GC women are the Romans versus the gendered soul early Christians.

GC women are the Witchfinder Generals against the gendered soul witches.

No wonder the likes of Sarkar love this. Trans and gender are literally the new class politics.

Thorn: “Transpeople reveal a great truth by existing if you want to change sex you can so sexual hierarchy is a made up construct...But if you get something out of the regime you might think that replacing it is scary”

Humans cannot change sex. The premise of this argument is flawed and the argument is invalid.

and nobody in all of Oz, no wizard that there is or was, is ever going to bring me dowwwwwwn <wanders off singing>

No wonder the likes of Sarkar love this. Trans and gender are literally the new class politics.

"Luxury communism for all, yah?"

“Just to add that Thorn seems to be something of a narcissist”

…sorry OP I’ve just finished laughing at this 😂Have you not come across Abigail Thorn before?!

Let’s just say that I think Abigail ‘I love latex’ Thorn has a wonderful relationship with themselves.

I'm not sure it's worth anyone's time trying to make sense of anything these two have to say tbh. Certainly not mine, I've got chin hairs to pluck.

I love how they gushed over each other when they revealed their respective online grifts were inspired by student tuition fees.

I'm sure on another day, Ash would tell female students "Go girl, go!" if they revealed college fees forced them into prostitution.

Quite,I'm off to scrape the dead flies off the porch window.

"then along come transpeople and you go.. Wait, so you are happy?"

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yep, I'm super resentful.....

I wouldn't trust Sarkar 'to sit the right way on a lavatory', as the expression goes.

'Abigale' is a MI5 operative, has anyone told Ash?

https://thegrayzone.com/tag/abigail-thorn/

So, Thorn was recruited to "...oppose the pseudo science of anti vaxx..."

Too bad she didn't get recruited to "...oppose the pseudo science of trans..."

Thorn is absolutely a misogynist. I remember tweets about how shocking it was for female people to be getting life saving treatments ahead of trans people. Nothing this male person says seems to reflect the reality of a female’s life. I wonder why….

Someone asked the other day in a thread to someone else "what product are activists trying to sell people/kids?" in a thread about a parents worried about an LGBTQIA+ group being present at their DD's primary school MH day.

Other's were talking about there being a ideological movement re; sex & gender that they're trying to "sell" to adults and kids metaphorically.

THIS. Is a prime example.
THIS. Is what they're "selling" to people.
"living in this horrible regime of gender then along come transpeople and you go.. Wait, so you are happy?”

They are literally, by their own words, selling the idea of happiness.
All of your problems and struggles with yourself and your body will just magically melt away. You will be happy.

Without gender ideology, your world is doomed to be miserable existence where you'll feel like the only way out is suicide simple because you don't fit outdated stereotypes.
With gender ideology, your life will be saved, you will be happy, you'll no longer be miserable.
All you have to do is give up your voice, your fertility, your body parts, your health, estrange yourself from any and all family & friends who ask even one question, and sign yourself up for a life time of medical treatment - all the while, still adhering to stereotypes, just for the opposing sex....

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Ties in to The Search For Your "Authentic Self".
I believe this is on another thread.

Now society etc is not here for you to work towards integrating into, becoming a better person and citizen.

No, now it's the true narcissism of your innermost feelings made concrete, your happiness, and society bending to your will, your reflection.

Therapy and medicine purely to sustain this Self, never to challenge or question.

If this country, the West generally, capitulates to the absolute outlawing of so-called trans conversion therapy, expect this narcissism industry to ramp up to irreversible levels.

But not everyone can do this.

Only some.

Because this entirely lifestyle and life view relies on the universal Mum servant class who maintain the rest of the world and provide the labour required.

You cannot have an entire society full of everyone expressing themselves and exploring their inner authentic selves, someone has to be doing the laundry, making lunch, paying taxes, running hospitals etc with the capacity to do things and think about the needs of others.

(But like a petulant, immature teenager you are supposed to look down on, sneer and denigrate these functional mortals.)

The whole thing works rather like exceptionally spoilt, dysfunctional young teens and 'staff' if you've ever been unlucky enough to work within a field where you've encountered such. Where staff had better do exactly what they're told by their charges, anticipate every need and never complain or react to bad behaviour or ill treatment, or 'I'll report you/get you sacked'.

Thorn is absolutely a misogynist. I remember tweets about how shocking it was for female people to be getting life saving treatments ahead of trans people. Nothing this male person says seems to reflect the reality of a female’s life. I wonder why….

Ash asks- how do we ignore Rosie Duffield because there is a conflict between the 'me too ‘believe her’ narrative of asking for personal experiences -how can we tell her “your wrong” while maintaining a pretence that we are actually listening to women??

Thorn says that Rosie Duffield has ‘weaponised being a woman’ and has a ‘vibes based argument prioritizing of CIS vibes and CIS feelings over what can be proven'.

So Thorn sees himself as intellectual and rational compared with women and their feelings, women are irrational, it is so patronising.
"They fear what they don't understand .. transphobia is an organised deliberate ignorance" This is the height of condescension.

He gives me the creeps. A nascent Buffalo Bill, this one.