Man threatened with Prevent for questioning transgender book at nephew's school.

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Prevent, for anybody who doesn't know, is the government's counterterrorism programme targeting radicalised/extremist Muslims. Schools are obliged to report cases of extremism or radicalisation to it, similar to reporting safeguarding concerns.

I have to say that I'd thought about Prevent being used for some transactivists, it had never occurred to me that Muslims would be silenced this way. Although, now I hear this, it is too obvious a tactic to have overlooked and it's utterly despicable.

So, I just came across this on Instagram. A British Muslim man approached his nephew's school on behalf of his sister, because she was really unhappy with her son bringing home a "book promoting transgender lifestyle". He thought it would be an easy discussion where he was mediating between two women (I'm not commenting on that part - separate issue). I've transcribed it for anybody who can't access the video.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CriblPHol5d/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Transcript:

He says to the head teacher, "'My sister's worried about a book that promotes the transgender lifestyle. If you were going give this to the children or put this in the library, why weren't parents consulted.?' She just went on the offense....When I started to speak to this lady, walahi [I swear to God], it was just a click. When I started to speak she said,
'The way you're talking, we'd have to refer you to Prevent'.
I said, 'What's Prevent?', because at the time I had no understanding.
She goes, "The way you're speaking is very extreme."
I said, "I haven't said anting to you extreme. All I've said is that we don't feel comfortable with our young, innocent nephew being sent home with a book called Princess Boy without the consultation of the parents.'
She goes, 'Well I don't care, it's the Equality Act.'
So my question to her was, 'Well where's my equality then? If it's the Equality Act, and we live in a secular society so there's a full range, a marketplaces of views and everyone must be respected, regardless of how we conflict with one another.. She wasn't having it.'"

Is that an article in The Guardian? A hugely biased left wing news source? Sorry but I don’t give any credibility to The Guardian ‘the WiSpa incident was made up by the right wing and the cologne New Year’s Eve event didn’t happen’ these days.

Left wing extremism?

https://www.counterextremism.com/content/far-left-extremist-groups-united-states

American website but as we know, we import their stuff pretty directly when it comes to youth movements 😬

Also, that all black get up you see at anti-woman protests is a tactic they call ‘black bloc’ (walking along with cardboard signs a la what happened to billboard Chris in Oxford was a half arsed version of a Black Bloc protest tactic)

Black Bloc originated in Europe in the 80s, was imported to the US fairly recently via ‘AntiFa’ and then back over here in the Americanised form:

https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/black-bloc

Black Bloc in France:

https://www.thelocal.fr/20230331/black-bloc-who-are-the-black-clad-figures-who-hog-the-headlines-at-french-protests

"its good to read from the other side, it gives me strength for the resolve to defend women’s rights, so easily brushed aside when there are others wanting to push women out!"

My rights to equal pay, safe maternity care etc, are threatened by the existence of the 0.2% of the population that are trans women?

I'm 57. The only time I've ever knowingly been in the same room as a trans woman is when I went to see a show by a trans entertainer.

Can you explain the mechanism of how I'm going to lose maternity pay etc (ie, my sex based rights) because of the existence of trans women?

Exactly. We all know what it is for and who it is aimed at.

Prevent is also aimed at people like the London nail bomber (white supremacist) I can absolutely assure you of that.

You refer to "Increasingly trans activists are calling for violent action against women" and link to this article as evidence of this.

Can you C&P from the article where the author is calling for violence?

Also - referring to people as 'fascists' might be insulting but it isn't 'dehumanising'. And given that Posy Parker's has attracted support in Australia and the UK for her position on the rights of trans individuals from white supremacist groups that are openly and proudly fascistic, it's a bit ironic...

There are loads of threads about Posie in Aus & NZ. The search function is on the top right of your screen.

I would absolutely be complaining if my child came home with such a book. If not just for the content alone, but the calibre. I’ve just looked up said book and I am flabbergasted at subjecting children to such vapid bilge. Wasting their time on brainless tripe to satisfy adult agendas when there are many thousands of rich, vivid children’s books of the highest excellence out there. Disgusting, I have nothing but contempt for this school.

Ah, I see, you think it is unlikely to happen to you so it doesn’t matter if women share a cell with male rapists, if girls are forced to strip off in front of boys, if lesbians are told they must date men, if a woman raped on a hospital ward is told she couldn’t have been because no men were present, if your medal was stolen by a man…

What @Shelefttheweb said. If we can't be bothered because 'it doesn't effect me', then we really have plumbed the depths. I don't go swimming, or to the gym, rarely shop in a clothes shop, don't have school age kids, but I'm still concerned about how women who do are treated. Primarily because it's how a civilized society works, we should be thinking about how other, particularly vulnerable people, are dealt with in certain situations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_of_tactics

Calling people "fascist" is setting them up for violent attacks by far-left activists.

Whether you want to call that "dehumanising" or not I'm not going to worry about. It's all a part of the "punch a TERF" rhetoric.

Where is the ideological link between wanting single sex spaces and genuine historical fascism?

A white supremacist group can agree with you that the earth is spherical. Big deal.

"Ah, I see, you think it is unlikely to happen to you so it doesn’t matter if women share a cell with male rapists, if girls are forced to strip off in front of boys, if lesbians are told they must date men, if a woman raped on a hospital ward is told she couldn’t have been because no men were present, if your medal was stolen by a man…"

I don't want anyone to have to share a cell with a rapist regardless of gender.

By 'if girls are forced to strip off in front of boys' - when you say 'boys' are you referring to trans women? Can you be clear what you mean otherwise it's quite hard to have a sensible conversation about this.

"if lesbians are told they must date men" - genuine question, who is telling anyone they 'must date' anyone they're not attracted to?

"if a woman raped on a hospital ward is told she couldn’t have been because no men were present" - has this happened? That a victim of sexual assault in a hospital was told she couldn't have been assaulted because no men were present? Is it something you're concerned about happening a lot? Because as I pointed out - trans women make up 0.2% of the population. Predatory, criminal transwomen will make up a vanishingly small percentage of a tiny percentage. Yet you feel horrible threatened by this and feel the rest of us should do to.

Can you C&P from the article where the author is calling for violence?

Yes that would be the part where they call for "militant anti-fascism" and refer to the "anti-fascist movements of the recent past"...

"What is required is a militant anti-fascism. We need more people in the street taking a stand (who aren’t the SWP). Based on my own experiences, the anti-fascist movements of the recent past appear to be missing in action, meaning a new generation has had to take up the reins with little guidance."

For more info on militant anti-fascim see here...

https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/understanding-21st-century-militant-anti-fascism/

When the article in Organise refers to "anti-fascist movement of the recent past", it is referencing the tactics of groups such as Anti-Fascist Action (AFA) and Red Action who used violence to no platform actual fascist organisations such as the NF and the BNP in the 80s and 90s. These groups were made up of both anarchists and members of left wing groups such as the SWP etc. They were completely unlike the so called "anti-fascists" that turn up at KJK events today in that if you saw them you would definitely be running fast in the other direction.

This is an account of the Battle of Waterloo which is the type of of anti-fascist militancy "of the recent past" that this article is calling for activists to use against women who want to discuss their rights...

https://libcom.org/article/15-waterloo-blood-and-honour-gig-london-1992

Other links for your perusal...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Fascist_Action

https://libcom.org/article/1985-2001-short-history-anti-fascist-action-afa

@izimbra , yes boys are identifying as female and are being told they can use female facilities, men who have committed very serious sexual assault and been sentenced to a term of imprisonment have been sent to female only prison and continued to assault, at least one female was raped in hospital and the police were told by staff that it could not have happened because no males were on the ward as a patient, only there was a man identifying as a woman. All of this is happening and women are being gaslit and told it's not. It's only when it's actually looked into that the truth cone out.
What about the sorority house, in I think Montana, where a person with a penis has been allowed in? He apparently walks around wearing leggings with a visible erection. The women are taking action because they don't want to be in this situation. Can you blame them?
There are countless instances of such activities but women are being told it doesn't happen, or they have to allow it for the sake of inclusivity. It's an utter disgrace.

Sorry for typos!

Why do well meaning people have such a blind spot for left wing extremism?

Do you think it’s wilful blindness?

Only I can’t come up with any other plausible explanation for why teachers can see the negative influence of incels and red pillers but can’t see the same in left wing IDPOL and doomerism (despite the mental health crisis in teens and a recent suicide that the coroner partially attributed to fears around climate change).

All of the following links mention suicide.

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/19/climate-suicides-despair-global-heating

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wd4e/canada-assisted-suicide-climate-anxiety

(recent Brighton case)

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23450878.amp/

"if a woman raped on a hospital ward is told she couldn’t have been because no men were present" - has this happened? That a victim of sexual assault in a hospital was told she couldn't have been assaulted because no men were present?

Not just the woman herself, that's what the hospital told the police. For months. Reported to the House of Lords by Baroness Winterbourne https://hansard.parliament.uk//lords/2022-03-16/debates/84C9B6AA-0214-4CEF-A41D-302373BDC190/HealthAndCareBill#contribution-2C34DA23-A5AD-483E-ACB8-AF8A5C547F7 (scroll through to 1.15am)

Where have you been? Do you ever watch the news? Did you think left wing women everywhere just made this stuff up? None of us had an issue with tw until tras started pushing and everything stated above started happening. For over a year the hospital told the police it was not possible and the police accepted this. Eventually politicians got involved, the hospital handed over the cctv and there the rape was. Now they could have checked the cctv immediately and avoided all of that but because tw are the sacred caste he was believed or not even questioned as nhs and police thought it was not possible for a tw to rape someone.

Oh and the head of stonewall said lesbians that won't consider sleeping with tw who have a Penis are sexual racists and nazis. That's the biggest mostly government funded lgbt charity that says lesbians can't be lesbians.

The hospital rape was one of two things that made me fully reverse my previous position on self id. The other being the loss of women-only rape crisis services. You'd think one group for men, one for LGBTQ, and one for men would be enough to satisfy trans women and still give women their own space? Nope. Not good enough for Sussex Rape Survivors and not for the CEO of Rape Crisis Scotland. and not for many other groups. They now expect women to include transwomen in the women's own group. Even for a sex-based crime.

By 'if girls are forced to strip off in front of boys' - when you say 'boys' are you referring to trans women?

Girls were obliged to strip in front of Isla Bryant and even the Scottish First Minister couldn't decide which of those words to use.

Can you be clear what you mean otherwise it's quite hard to have a sensible conversation about this.

Isn't it?

"doomerism (despite the mental health crisis in teens and a recent suicide that the coroner partially attributed to fears around climate change)"

Are you a climate change denialist?

And one of your arguments for downplaying the challenges of climate change is that the discussion around climate change is making young people severely worried about the future of the planet, and their own futures within it?

According to NASA ' The Earth Will Continue to Warm and the Effects Will Be Profound" - https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/ You think young people shouldn't be worried about this?

"By 'if girls are forced to strip off in front of boys' - when you say 'boys' are you referring to trans women?

Girls were obliged to strip in front of Isla Bryant and even the Scottish First Minister couldn't decide which of those words to use."

Is Isla Bryant a trans woman?

The Prevent Strategy was introduced in 2011. I am sure we can all remember terrorist incidents that took place in 2011, and which group were responsible for them, which triggered this.