Transwoman wins women's US cycling race & gets $35k prize

[MrsJamin]

Austin Killips won the Tour of the Gila women's race www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-of-the-gila-2023/stage-5-women/results/
Just outrageous. Any tweet by the organisers mentioning Killips has restricted comments (but of course many quote tweets)
It's getting more and more ridiculous:

• the rider retained their original male first name, Austin.
• they rode for the Amy D Foundation, set up to encourage and support young women through cycling, inspiring the celebration of healthy challenge and empowering the confident pursuit of lofty dreams.
• this is the first year the women's prize money is the same as the men's.

You couldn't make it up. When will the most sports-loving country in the world protect and give a shit about women in sport?

Wow. And just when the women's prize money is equal to the men's prize. Who would have guessed.

The biggest turning point would be football. I hope Gary Lineker bumps in to Sharron Davies at some point and has a natter about it all 🤞🤞🤞

AHH happy thoughts!

@Mumoftwoinprimary you should absolutely not let this stop your daughter doing what she loves most. Ultimately I have to believe that we will move forward to a point where trans people are visible and accepted as trans, without this focus on hiding their real selves and pretending. And I think the athletes will have a role in that, though i don't think it is all on them to do the work.

Exactly. The sheer misogyny of it. The organisers know exactly who a man is when it comes to giving out prize money.

Or - being more charitable than I'm feeling - they upped the prize for women to be fair, for once, and this cheater has taken it.

Theft.

Someone said he's been caught using drugs, if true, he's triply a cheat.
a) drugs
b) screwing women out of their places and prizes
c) bashing women competitors, to slow them down.

Whichever authority is allowing him to behave like that ought to be disbanded and the directors banned from any further involvement. They're a total disgrace.

Depends how old she is and whether you think there could be change in future. There's always retakes for academics once past cycling. And could she swap later to triathlon? It would be a shame to let men spoil it for her before it becomes a reality that effects her.

You shouldn't be having to consider all that though do to cheating men.

@ScrollingLeaves

Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, report finds

I wonder who the lead researchers are? How have they come to such a perverse conclusion, when every decent study has concluded the exact opposite?

Perhaps Horatio Nelson has looked at the data; "Differences? I see no differences..."

I think the allegation about doping referred to the other man, who won the men's race?

It's supposedly a review of mainly peer-reviewed studies, but it's not peer reviewed itself and I can't see the author(s) listed anywhere.

https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf

I noticed that it does mention Joanna Harper's research as 'evidence' that men with low testosterone have no advantage over women in sport:

The limited available evidence examining the effect of testosterone suppression as it directly affects trans women’s athletic performance showed no athletic advantage exists after one year of testosterone suppression (Harper, 2015; Roberts et al., 2020; Harper, 2020)

A nice fantasy is of an excellent male cyclist saying he is trans, winning a big women’s race, then a full glare of publicity handing the trophy to the first runner up female cyclist.

Shame on these ‘incycle’ loser MEN (adult human males) claiming these championships from women.

It's never excellent male cyclists who could continue to do well in the men's race, is it? For some reason.

OldCrone · Today 11:28
Re your reply about the article
Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, report finds

It's supposedly a review of mainly peer-reviewed studies, but it's not peer reviewed itself and I can't see the author(s) listed anywhere

Thanks for checking that out.

Here's a really good critique of that trans propaganda piece by gender critical academics:

When Ideology Trumps Science: A response to the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport’s Review on Transwomen Athletes in the Female Category

When you look at the things Lance Armstrong (and many others) did to themselves in order to win, pretending to be a woman is minor.

For some reason competitive cycling - which I love - has always attracted more cheats than other sports: taking trains or cars, being pulled by a car by biting on a cork attached to a wire, paying spectators to violently take out rivals, electric engines hidden in bike frames, changing route information signs, mid-race blood transfusions, and of course drugs, drugs, drugs. These cyclist played with their lives and health to gain a competitive advantage - check out the shortened lifespans of top competitors.

Nowadays you don’t even have to bother sticking on a bit of lippy to cheat your way into the women’s race. Of course there are cyclists who will do it.

As far as I can tell all Austin did to race in the women's race was grow long hair and have a long dangly earring when racing. I've often found it really practical to have long dangly earrings when cycling, don't you all agree, cycling ladies?

I see that although referred to a post and not a person I was modded. Interesting.

Depends upon their definition of 'unfair'. I expect they define it rather like they define 'woman', ie 'anything we want it to mean'.

OldCrone

I think that all of us here have read other studies, which concluded that men taking oestrogen have a slight drop in performance, compared to other men, but that they still retain significant and insurmountable physiological advantage against women.

That's why they all go from No 567 in the national men's category, to "smashing Olympic records" when they are allowed to compete against women.

Joanna Harper can take her poorly thought out propaganda, posing as scientific research and use it as a flagpole on the top of the first available midden.

This graph demonstrates perfectly why men need to be completely excluded from women's sports:

How the actual fuck are we in this position?

How are women who work with these cyclists not seeing it?

That graph! Perfect example of the hypocrisy of this ideology. If any woman scored like that, there would be immediate suspicion of cheating - which would be investigated. Funny how a woman with blood chemistry that resembles male blood chemistry would be considered a cheat, but a male with blood chemistry that resembles male blood chemistry is not.

Yes - Oscar Sevilla, who was not allowed to start the 2006 Tour de France and was sacked by his team (T-Mobile) for being linked to a doping scandal.

Amazing that he can still be competitive at age 46 eh?